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nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
8. Segami, here's my thing on Hillary...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:28 AM
Mar 2015

and the Clintons in toto.

When they came along in 92, after 12 years of Reagan/Bush that style of "new democrat" win at all costs felt like, well, WINNING! holy crap that felt good. So what if some businesses prosper? A rising tide floats all boats, amirite? YAY Clintonian optimism! Bring on the Globalism. Bring on NAFTA! It's a "New Age" for Democrats I thought.

Remember the "peace dividend" that was going to fund homeless and healthcare and the fucking "bridge to the 21st Century" after the Cold War and after all the covert Reagan/Bush wars? This was supposed to be the trade-off. We were entering a new era when all our spending on nukes and military excursions could be repurposed to NATION BUILDING at home. I was on board in a big way.

Then, like some kind of magic, the investigations started and that's all we heard about -- and of course good democrats like myself turned our attention AWAY FROM policy and toward protecting the personalities who were supposed to protect our policy. Thing is, we held up our part of the bargain, and what did get in return? The repeal of Glass-Stegall, the deregulation of telecommunications -- death by the thousand TRIANGULATIONS. All of the energy that was supposed to go to building that confounded bridge to the 21st Century was spent on transactions with the right-wing to keep the investigations at bay...or keep new ones from emerging. By the time the blue dress and the definition of what "is is" came along, I'd just had it. Seriously? This is how we're repaid for all the blood sweat and tears we put into this? Is it any wonder that the WORST policy that came of the administration came after the embarrassment of Monica Lewinsky?

It's not difficult to figure out that the problem here is that the Clintons make themselves a target with the way they do business, and the Clinton Foundation combined with the latest public records scandal is just a reminder of what that's like.

I would love nothing more than to have a *slam dunk* democratic nominee who will get into the White House and fight like hell for the policy that matters to working families. But we have to be realistic about BOTH. Can Hillary actually beat a strong GOP challenger? and WOULD Hillary actually fight for our policy? If she's dogged by typical Clinton scandal, there's little she's going to get done. The time will be spend horse-trading and triangulating...and that means Americans who are suffering will get nothing but excuses: "well, if it weren't for the nasty Republicans dragging her into investigations..." blah blah blah.

I'm sick of it. Give us a straight arrow. Give us someone with a few tons less baggage. Give us someone who can actually get something done.



Really, really interesting article, Segami RiverLover Mar 2015 #1
"...If Clinton wants to rebuild trust with voters.. Segami Mar 2015 #2
Its too bad Media Matters is run by Hillary's David Brock. RiverLover Mar 2015 #3
David Brock reflects on his Clinton evolution Segami Mar 2015 #4
that explains a lot. transactionalism at its best. nashville_brook Mar 2015 #5
I was really surprised when I learned that, from a fellow DUer RiverLover Mar 2015 #21
i'm sure there's a historical narrative about Brock's switch from conservative to nashville_brook Mar 2015 #22
Hillary already had a real primary challenge in 2003. So real, she lost. phantom power Mar 2015 #6
Unfortunately Warren is NOT running..... we need to get that fact into our heads groundloop Mar 2015 #7
I want a viable more progressive candidate Cryptoad Mar 2015 #15
Segami, here's my thing on Hillary... nashville_brook Mar 2015 #8
most excellent! ellennelle Mar 2015 #9
actually moved to Flori-duh :) nashville_brook Mar 2015 #10
Couldn't have said it better myself. Even if I thought Ms Clinton would fight for the Nay Mar 2015 #12
if the voters aren't excited about the nominee...if it's just "her time" nashville_brook Mar 2015 #16
Agreed. It's not hard to see that Dem voters aren't showing up because they feel Nay Mar 2015 #25
Agreed. And too think.. Segami Mar 2015 #14
oppo research on the Clintons is a corporate endeavor at this point. nashville_brook Mar 2015 #17
What is next on DU Cryptoad Mar 2015 #11
Imagine being in a fight with your worst enemy. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #23
I don't want a 'curbed' or 'reined in' candidate by any name HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #13
The problem as I see it is sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #20
I think if Elizabeth Warren chose to get in, she would be a viable contender. Vinca Mar 2015 #18
Exactly! RiverLover Mar 2015 #24
this is *the* gail sheehy? has she no editors? are all papers computer-generated these days? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #19
Same old same old, nothing new here, nothing here to promote Warren, nothing for anyone to put their Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #26
In 2012, the New York Daily News endorsed Romney Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #27
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