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LiberalLovinLug

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Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:34 PM

Mar 2015

So let me get this straight. You defend an ancient law that throws whistleblowers in jail for revealing, or confirming for those that say they all knew it anyways, their own governments secret ongoing unconstitutional mass evesdroppong on its own citizens, in hopes to stir conversation that will reign in this behavior.

And in the same breath tell OTHERS not to complain when their phone conversations are revealed. O.............kay.

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Daniel Ellsberg:If Petraeus didn't commit felony-neither did Snowden, Manning, Sterling, or Kiriakou [View all] kpete Mar 2015 OP

Daniel Ellsberg is correct. Autumn Mar 2015 #1

Yep. n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #61

We Live In A Dictatorship billhicks76 Mar 2015 #72

totally. I can't even write that on an online discussion forum. uhnope Mar 2015 #180

let's hear the AG on this - oh, yeah, our new one isn't confirmed b/c she's black & female wordpix Mar 2015 #189

+100000. Of course a bigwig like Petraeus is treated differently wordpix Mar 2015 #186

K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #2

Someone had to say it The Blue Flower Mar 2015 #3

So that she could write a flattering autobiography of him supposedly. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #158

I guess we'll never know since Snowden likely will live the rest of his life in Russia. randome Mar 2015 #4

... Scuba Mar 2015 #5

Yet no warrants have been issued for these supposely crimes Cryptoad Mar 2015 #21

War criminals do seem to get a free pass in this country. Shame it's that way. Scuba Mar 2015 #23

still doesnt address why no warrants have been issued. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #24

"Looking forward" I guess. Scuba Mar 2015 #26

Well prosecuting more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined might explain it a bit. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #89

I'm shocked. Aerows Mar 2015 #54

You 're so funny.... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #108

That is because they are the power elite. blackspade Mar 2015 #107

really,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #109

I believe there have been several petitions for Cheney's dumb ass.... blackspade Mar 2015 #111

The ass hole did many things that I find almost evil. l... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #113

Are you seriously giving that criminal a pass? blackspade Mar 2015 #118

Im just stating a fact to you,,, no warrants have been issued for that ass hole. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #120

A fact that means nothing. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #144

it is what it is......... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #146

So is everything else. So what? Ken Burch Mar 2015 #147

sure it means something,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #149

I see Rex Mar 2015 #121

xactly wordpix Mar 2015 #187

Yeah, we do know. The sample size is large enough to be clear. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #7

All due respect, but what possible reason would Snowden have to return now to KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #10

You are gullible as hell. nt Logical Mar 2015 #14

I doubt that. Rex Mar 2015 #126

Only until this country restores the rule of law. Other nations have gone through periods like this sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2015 #31

Well that's what I'm talking about actually. We do have laws, we have the Constitution of the US sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #32

Charles Colson was Watergate. Oliver North was Iran-Contra jmowreader Mar 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2015 #43

You sound almost fond Aerows Mar 2015 #62

I wonder why a military general gets a free pass, but a lowly worker does not? Rex Mar 2015 #124

You still mad bro? Rex Mar 2015 #122

Maybe because he doesn't interest me. randome Mar 2015 #127

LAWL "A high-ranking intelligence officer having an affair? That's nothing." Rex Mar 2015 #128

I already updated my post to be more accurate. randome Mar 2015 #130

Thanks for admitting to playing CYA for the good general. It is right there in your post, TY! Rex Mar 2015 #131

He gave away top secret documents to a potential spy. That wasn't hard at all. randome Mar 2015 #133

Curious, how do you know that!? Rex Mar 2015 #134

Goodnight, sweet prince. randome Mar 2015 #142

Yes heard that my entire life, along with "fetch doggy!" Rex Mar 2015 #156

Major fail. Really major. Pathetic. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #176

Funny how the General gets a pass but Snowden not so much neverforget Mar 2015 #155

Well I will get Snowed for saying this, but ONE passed along TS information Rex Mar 2015 #157

Oliver North remains a hero to this day to the RW knuckledraggers. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #171

It's typical authoritarian behavior. They love themselves some Generals. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #174

That is precisely what I said malaise Mar 2015 #6

Indeed you did Aerows Mar 2015 #63

great minds reason in the same tract Duppers Mar 2015 #74

Not always malaise Mar 2015 #86

Mr. Ellsberg is a thorn in the side of the Conservatives. He is here pointing out rhett o rick Mar 2015 #8

The Conservatives? Isn't it the Obama Justice Dept prosecuting bread_and_roses Mar 2015 #15

Abso-fracking-lutely. I said the Conservatives. The persecution of whistle-blowers and rhett o rick Mar 2015 #18

Wrong. A total of 8 have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act. randome Mar 2015 #34

So you don't condem prosecuting whisteblowers....just the amount? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #39

Not whistleblowers. Leakers. There is a difference. randome Mar 2015 #45

"There is a difference." Hissyspit Mar 2015 #47

That individual Aerows Mar 2015 #60

Funny that particular poster seems unable to even make a small critique Rex Mar 2015 #139

Oh, please. Why are you so intent to condemn Snowden? Why are you not as outraged about the NSA's cui bono Mar 2015 #91

Because, except for the occasional lapse that happens with every law enforcement agency... randome Mar 2015 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2015 #48

That's more than all previous Presidents combined. nt. druidity33 Mar 2015 #76

Eight leakers, eight prosecutions. randome Mar 2015 #104

Maybe the whistle-blowers think they will be treated fairly by a Democratic rhett o rick Mar 2015 #173

That total of 8 proves that statement to be correct, how can you claim it is wrong? cui bono Mar 2015 #90

Because there are more leakers than in previous administrations. randome Mar 2015 #103

That is not a valid arguement and you know it. blackspade Mar 2015 #110

Really? Are you holding out the Bush administration as a model of behavior? randome Mar 2015 #112

Nice try at a smear blackspade Mar 2015 #116

We're in agreement about the Bush, Jr. administration. randome Mar 2015 #123

That's the thing, I'm not convinced that Obama is the guiding hand... blackspade Mar 2015 #163

Playing the "black" card? That can go both ways. It's open season on anyone who criticizes Obama. cui bono Mar 2015 #168

kr ND-Dem Mar 2015 #9

Yes. K&R Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #11

Yep. K&R 99Forever Mar 2015 #12

. libodem Mar 2015 #13

The 1% take care of their own SHRED Mar 2015 #16

"For reasons of national security" is a convenient way to cover up crimes and is used to do so. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #17

Birds of a Feather,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #19

So where are all those DU'ers who went . . FairWinds Mar 2015 #20

Are you kidding me? They would have to come in here and criticize one of their heroes! Rex Mar 2015 #22

Sorry, but those who have been critical of Snowden, the majority in that group at DU were NOT fans still_one Mar 2015 #88

Let's see... Petraeus was appointed by Obama... cui bono Mar 2015 #92

Both Petraeus was a republican, appointed by a republican when he was general in Afghanistan. When still_one Mar 2015 #170

I never said Snowden was appointed by Obama. cui bono Mar 2015 #192

I know you didn't, you were referring to Pretraus for that, and my thoughts were simply that he still_one Mar 2015 #194

Okay, I see. No problem. I just wanted it on record that I knew that! cui bono Mar 2015 #196

Yeah I fall in that group too and yet I seem to be able to be critical of both men. Rex Mar 2015 #119

I'm talking to someone right now in this very thread that seems to know that the good general Rex Mar 2015 #135

. libodem Mar 2015 #28

That's right! General Betray-Us discloses classified info for nookie... backscatter712 Mar 2015 #40

It's not that I'm okay with Petraeus; far from it jmowreader Mar 2015 #59

Petraus mishandled classified, and he left it with someone who shouldn't have had it. MADem Mar 2015 #67

Classist drivel of intense magnitude TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #69

Post #22 Rex Mar 2015 #73

Betray-Us will get a gig on FAUX "News". backscatter712 Mar 2015 #95

Not only see my post #22 but look for my sub-thread (upthread) for evidence. Rex Mar 2015 #137

It just shows El Shaman Mar 2015 #25

Ellsberg is a great figure from history but he's kind of lost it now uhnope Mar 2015 #29

I'd knew you wouldn't let us down!! elias49 Mar 2015 #56

funny how you can only mock uhnope Mar 2015 #58

Yoko said it best... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #70

Haha! elias49 Mar 2015 #78

thanks for being honest uhnope Mar 2015 #101

There's nothing wrong with that job. nilesobek Mar 2015 #148

what's a metaphor? uhnope Mar 2015 #150

That's some real elitist crap. nilesobek Mar 2015 #151

you don't send me flowers anymore uhnope Mar 2015 #152

I know there is a human being behind every screen. nilesobek Mar 2015 #153

it's honest work and all honest work is good uhnope Mar 2015 #161

I respect your profession. I went to school to be nilesobek Mar 2015 #162

the writer's market is shrinking but uhnope Mar 2015 #184

Can you even tell me what you do for a job? nilesobek Mar 2015 #159

Septic tanks are not water tight. blackspade Mar 2015 #164

Unike what you did in the post elias49 was responding to. Riiiiiiight... cui bono Mar 2015 #94

BS2 uhnope Mar 2015 #100

After you dismissed him as being old and some other ridiculous thing. cui bono Mar 2015 #169

I saw your lengthy post uhnope Mar 2015 #182

Ellsburg has also said Snowden should not return because he would not be treated fairly cui bono Mar 2015 #193

if you want a discussion, don't do the straw man thing, OK? uhnope Mar 2015 #195

Okay, sorry for that. Perhaps you shouldn't refer to his actions as a charade then. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #197

Huh? You're the one who openned with smearing the messenger instead of Marr Mar 2015 #98

psychobabble and $3 will get you a grand latte uhnope Mar 2015 #99

No, it's shallow character assassination. Marr Mar 2015 #105

only to someone engaging in hero worship would that appear to be character assassination uhnope Mar 2015 #125

"He's kind of lost it now"? "Sometimes old guys need to still feel relevant"? deurbano Mar 2015 #75

I'm curious... in your sig you have a solidarity graphic. cui bono Mar 2015 #93

notice the spelling uhnope Mar 2015 #117

Capital. Octafish Mar 2015 #175

overpaid uhnope Mar 2015 #183

K&R for consistency in application of the Rule of LAW grasswire Mar 2015 #30

But Patreaus DID commit a felony. Adrahil Mar 2015 #33

He has blackmail power, and he's not afraid to use it Demeter Mar 2015 #52

K&R ReRe Mar 2015 #35

Must be related to the volume of data released. Roland99 Mar 2015 #36

That would be Justice. Octafish Mar 2015 #37

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #41

Reminds me of the quote from Animal Farm packman Mar 2015 #42

Thank you. nt daredtowork Mar 2015 #44

And since Pareaus drove 1 MPH over the speed limit ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2015 #46

I trust Ellsberg knows what he is speaking about over a self described conservative. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #51

I boiled the noodles for too long Aerows Mar 2015 #65

It is 2015, in context what does identifying as a conservative Democrat mean? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #71

Those made me laugh (out loud, even)! deurbano Mar 2015 #82

What a dumb analogy. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #84

And that's supposed to be a minor offense? cui bono Mar 2015 #97

courts also take intent into consideration uhnope Mar 2015 #132

Yeah, intention matters. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #138

you've avoided the point uhnope Mar 2015 #143

seriously, put on your thinking cap wordpix Mar 2015 #190

Ellsberg is so right, as relevant today, actually, MORE. K & R & TY, kpete! mother earth Mar 2015 #49

Be aware of those that despise Aerows Mar 2015 #50

I so agree. mother earth Mar 2015 #55

Long ago, I had a security clearance . . FairWinds Mar 2015 #53

Raise your hand Aerows Mar 2015 #57

I don't know why anyone is surprised. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #64

When you labor under the idea that Aerows Mar 2015 #66

Exactly, it's called hegemony blackspade Mar 2015 #115

I agree 100% nt kelliekat44 Mar 2015 #68

Oh there is some difference though, Manning and Snowden released thousands of classified documents cstanleytech Mar 2015 #77

And Patraeus didn't? Wha? elias49 Mar 2015 #79

I didnt say he didnt do anything, in fact I think he got off far, far to light. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #83

None of them named CIA agents... Octafish Mar 2015 #80

I only said though there are "some" differences and I already said I believe he got off cstanleytech Mar 2015 #85

Oh, please. W T F? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #81

Here's an investigative article about Hissyspit Mar 2015 #87

Depends on who is, and who is not, a member of "THE FAMILY." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #96

Exactly. Take Scooter Libby for example, he took a bullet for Bush and Bush cstanleytech Mar 2015 #114

A sickening double standard blackspade Mar 2015 #106

Yep Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #129

Yes it does! Just look at all the apologists here for the good general that have ignored that Rex Mar 2015 #140

Oh, I noticed. And have for years.... blackspade Mar 2015 #165

So Ellsberg thinks Snowden should return and whistler162 Mar 2015 #136

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #141

Petraeus should be a felon, should serve jail time. Absolutely. TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #145

This is interesting, now we have admissions Snowden, Manning, Sterling and Kiriakou has committed Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #154

That would be no. blackspade Mar 2015 #166

Sure sounds like the author thought Petraeus should be charged also. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #167

IF Manning et al are being charged under that shitty 1918 law... blackspade Mar 2015 #172

I lived and worked withand by your description of "shitty" 1918 law, Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #177

Thanks for making no sense at all. blackspade Mar 2015 #178

Good when your phone conversations are revealed dont complain. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #179

? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #181

Communication company employees can also be charges under the same law. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #185

What the hell are you talking about now? blackspade Mar 2015 #188

. libodem Mar 2015 #160

The more I read this the better is the case Ellsberg's making wordpix Mar 2015 #191

Naturally...Because all those cases are 100% exactly alike Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #198