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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
95. I also check in at FR and I see NOTHING like what you claim to have seen.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:07 PM
Mar 2015

At first I thought the alert on your post was ridiculous. Having done some research, however, I agree with the alert.

I read or skimmed several FR threads about Clinton, and did what I could using their primitive search capability. Your statement:

Freepers were yelling...what about the emails...what about her vote on Iraq....what about her close ties to Wall Street....


is, as far as I can tell, two-thirds false.

They're certainly obsessing over the email thing. There was thread after thread after thread about it.

I saw absolutely nothing about Iraq. That assertion doesn't even pass the smell test. Why would the Freepers criticize her Iraq vote, which I'm sure they all agreed with?

As for Wall Street, I saw no criticism of her "ties to Wall Street" as indicating that she's too conservative. (To the contrary, the Freepers still consider her a socialist or a Communist.) There were some threads castigating Wall Street for its ties to Clinton. For example, in this thread on FR, from last April, there was discussion of this article in Politico, which stated:

The darkest secret in the big money world of the Republican coastal elite is that the most palatable alternative to a nominee such as Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas or Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky would be Clinton, a familiar face on Wall Street following her tenure as a New York senator with relatively moderate views on taxation and financial regulation.

“If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine,” one top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer said over lunch in midtown Manhattan last week. “We could live with either one. Jeb versus Joe Biden would also be fine. It’s Rand Paul or Ted Cruz versus someone like Elizabeth Warren that would be everybody’s worst nightmare.”


The Freeper who started the thread commented, "And we think we always have to help Wall Street because they are on our side They Are not." This thread, almost a year old, doesn't support your assertion.

There was also this entertaining thread from November, based on this article in the New York Post, contending that unnamed "Clinton campaign strategists" were reaching out to their "Wall Street allies" to get covert funding for a third-party conservative run by the likes of Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, or Herman Cain. So, yes, there's a two-month-old reference to her "Wall Street allies" (and she undeniably has Wall Street allies), but nothing current and not in the context you imply -- an assertion that her "Wall Street ties" are an argument against her being a good President.

If you'd actually looked at the numerous threads about the email controversy, you would have seen Freepers taking the occasion to dredge up some of their old favorites, like the Rose Law Firm and removal of White House property when Bill left office and, of course, Benghazi. As to threads in which they make ideological arguments similar to those of Clinton's progressive critics on DU, however, I think you're reporting what you wanted to see rather than what's actually there.

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Yeah, no shit, you sure wont hear that GARBAGE here, will you NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
The far Left and the far Right are exactly the same! MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #64
Please tell me that was meant as humor Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #67
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best way to clear up any confusion would be to link to those posts at FR.. frylock Mar 2015 #230
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And we are glad you are here with us trumad. We all value you my friend! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #33
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There is strong overlap between the con-cave and freeperville Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #47
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Wait ..wait...Freepers are against her Iraq war vote and her ties to Wall Street? demwing Mar 2015 #49
No, they hope/ believe useful idiots will try to use those issues to divide the center left vote... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #57
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only useful idiots have any concern with Clinton's cozy relationship with Wall St? frylock Mar 2015 #231
"Useful idiots , regardless of their ideology, divide the vote which inures to the benefit ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #232
so best to ignore those issues then, eh? frylock Mar 2015 #233
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Please tell me who that perfect candidate is so I can work for their victory and keep Repblicans Fla Dem Mar 2015 #88
All good reasons to vote ANY Dem, not merely Hillary demwing Mar 2015 #93
Thanks. Someone who is not wedded to Wall Street and the corporate elite. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #108
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Great, let me know when you are successful in your efforts. nt Fla Dem Mar 2015 #137
"what about her vote on Iraq....what about her close ties to Wall Street" AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #74
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Shouldn't freepers be happy with treestar Mar 2015 #89
now that it is settled and the primaries are over there no excuse for making up lies about Hillary Douglas Carpenter Mar 2015 #91
What he said ^^^ /nt demwing Mar 2015 #94
I also check in at FR and I see NOTHING like what you claim to have seen. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #95
yah must have missed it.... trumad Mar 2015 #104
Thanks for posting links to back up your claims. At least we know your post isn't made-up bullshit. arcane1 Mar 2015 #110
won't post the links ... trumad Mar 2015 #111
Of course you won't. They don't exist. arcane1 Mar 2015 #112
Then PM me the links and I'll be happy to check them out. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #123
Heart breaking...just heart breaking. trumad Mar 2015 #126
Reality is a cruel mistress. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #128
Like I said Manny. . trumad Mar 2015 #132
Oh now you're disagreeing with my mother! MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #134
Thank you. blackspade Mar 2015 #180
+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #188
Now THAT'S what I call "investigation" and "expert analysis". cui bono Mar 2015 #209
I'm shocked Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #221
I can't believe how many people here took your post literally BillZBubb Mar 2015 #97
Not everyone is familiar with the OP's "work." SMC22307 Mar 2015 #167
I've been seeing these pop up the last couple days, this is the first one I opened uppityperson Mar 2015 #201
It's a commentary on how OTT some of the Clinton supporters have been. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #214
Doesn't that suggest daredtowork Mar 2015 #98
perhaps . trumad Mar 2015 #102
That's why the place is safely ignored. Orsino Mar 2015 #103
You are tough as boot leather no doubt madokie Mar 2015 #105
This thread is all kinds of awesome! Spazito Mar 2015 #109
Innit? Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #117
I love the Venus Flytrap plants, they are awesome! Spazito Mar 2015 #121
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You know, normally I wouldn't think this kind of thing was helpful. But Skinner and the other admins Number23 Mar 2015 #144
No argument from me... Spazito Mar 2015 #146
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Trumad the True! I stand with you! leftofcool Mar 2015 #118
WOW! Interesting thread! I wonder why some are so pissed off at you! Rex Mar 2015 #131
you don't understand why people would get mad when he implies m-lekktor Mar 2015 #133
No I do. Rex Mar 2015 #135
Uh huh pintobean Mar 2015 #141
Well if it isn't the gatekeeper! Rex Mar 2015 #145
You have twice as many as I do. pintobean Mar 2015 #147
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Stepped in it, huh? pintobean Mar 2015 #149
Nothing? Rex Mar 2015 #150
Ask your friends. pintobean Mar 2015 #152
He shoots and he misses! Rex Mar 2015 #153
You're having way too much fun malaise Mar 2015 #138
edited to say I rightly got called out on my post. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #140
True why would people get worked up at being called freepers!? Rex Mar 2015 #186
I don't think that is what he really means. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #187
I do. Rex Mar 2015 #189
Selling out? hrmjustin Mar 2015 #191
Yeah going for the cheapshot. Rex Mar 2015 #193
I think he is doing it on purpose to mock others who he feels are attacking Hillary to the point hrmjustin Mar 2015 #196
I think he just wanted to call out someone but doesn't have the guts to do it. Rex Mar 2015 #199
Well it certainly looks like he is having a moment. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #202
!!! MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #192
Oh GOSH did I type that out loud!? Rex Mar 2015 #195
Here's a thought Joe Turner Mar 2015 #143
I look forward to hearing about day 6! zappaman Mar 2015 #151
what a hot pile of shit nasty this vile little thread is BubbaFett Mar 2015 #154
As opposed to the people promoting rightwing racist blogs geek tragedy Mar 2015 #155
Exactly. You would think they would be attacking Jeb Bush R B Garr Mar 2015 #163
Oh no, that would be their SOP. I think they didn't vote in 2012 from DU threads posted then. freshwest Mar 2015 #217
yep trumad Mar 2015 #160
both/and is a thing BubbaFett Mar 2015 #173
Hillary's fans are, once again, not doing her any favors. Marr Mar 2015 #156
Disruptive meta is what it is cyberswede Mar 2015 #162
Yeah---I know what you mean... trumad Mar 2015 #169
People posting their opinions is what discussion boards are for. cyberswede Mar 2015 #182
That made absolutely no sense. trumad Mar 2015 #185
I'll try again... cyberswede Mar 2015 #190
Yep BubbaFett Mar 2015 #176
One could say the same for some Warren and Sander fans here. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #164
For some, perhaps. Marr Mar 2015 #172
I think we could go on and on who is more divisive. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #177
You're probably right. /nt Marr Mar 2015 #179
This is not to say I don't have my moments. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #181
Oh, I do, too. Marr Mar 2015 #183
Just think 22 months till the next Inauguration. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #184
Seriously?? G.W. Bush was President during the IWR and the ecomonic R B Garr Mar 2015 #178
What? As if they are going to be against the fact that someone supported their war. cui bono Mar 2015 #210
Mean girls BubbaFett Mar 2015 #174
This is fun. betsuni Mar 2015 #171
See? You bring a knife, we bring JDPriestly. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #194
Night Manny. trumad Mar 2015 #197
He was batting a thousand until day 5. Rex Mar 2015 #198
"We" R B Garr Mar 2015 #200
Why, I'd almost think you were surreptitiously trying to make some other point with this OP Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #218
Fake OP. Quite a few posts about emails eridani Mar 2015 #219
You forgot your sarcasm thingy. patricia92243 Mar 2015 #223
Right Nation, gross but not as bad as Free Republic in ChazII Mar 2015 #226
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