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hatrack

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83. You're not even close. "Scientists" never believed it, even then. No popular consensus, either
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 08:19 PM
Mar 2015
Study Debunks "Global Cooling" Concern of 70s

The supposed "global cooling" consensus among scientists in the 1970s — frequently offered by global-warming skeptics as proof that climatologists can't make up their minds — is a myth, according to a survey of the scientific literature of the era. The '70s was an unusually cold decade. Newsweek, Time, The New York Times and National Geographic published articles at the time speculating on the causes of the unusual cold and about the possibility of a new ice age.

But Thomas Peterson of the National Climatic Data Center surveyed dozens of peer-reviewed scientific articles from 1965 to 1979 and found that only seven supported global cooling, while 44 predicted warming. Peterson says 20 others were neutral in their assessments of climate trends.

The study reports, "There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s that the Earth was headed into an imminent ice age. "A review of the literature suggests that, to the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking about the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales."

"I was surprised that global warming was so dominant in the peer-reviewed literature of the time," says Peterson, who was also a contributor to the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2007 report.

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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm

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The faked image illustrates one of the fake-skeptics’ favorite myths: The 1970s Ice Age Scare. It goes something like this:

In the 1970s the scientists were all predicting global cooling and a future ice age.
The media served as the scientists’ lapdog parroting the alarming news.
The ice age never came—the scientists were dead wrong.
Now those same scientists are predicting global warming (or is it “climate change” now?)

The entire purpose of this myth is to suggest that scientists can’t be trusted, that they will say/claim/predict whatever to get their names in the newspapers, and that the media falls for it all the time. They were wrong about ice ages in the 1970s, they are wrong now about global warming.

But why fake the 1977 cover? Since, according to the fake-skeptics, there was so much news coverage of the imminent ice age why not just use a real 1970s cover?

I searched around on Time’s website and looked through all of the covers from the 1970s. I was shocked (shocked!) to find not a single cover with the promise of an in-depth, special report on the Coming Ice Age. What about this cover from December 1973 with Archie Bunker shivering in his chair entitled “The Big Freeze”? Nope, that’s about the Energy Crisis. Maybe this cover from January 1977, again entitled “The Big Freeze”? Nope, that’s about the weather. How about this one from December 1979, “The Cooling of America”? Again with the Energy Crisis.

Now, there really were news articles in the 1970s about scientists predicting a coming ice age. Time had a piece called “Another Ice Age?” in 1974. Time’s competition, Newsweek, joined in with “The Cooling World” in 1975. People have collected lists and lists of “Coming Ice Age” stories from newspapers, magazines, books, tv shows, etc. throughout the 1970s.

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http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/06/04/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley/

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I often look at young families, particularly ones with large broods, and can only Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #1
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well, the main premise of Idiocracy awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #74
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now, maybe awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #75
You're not alone. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2
This... yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #12
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Glad I don't have kids vt_native Mar 2015 #4
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Glad to K & R aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2015 #8
other people still are though; especially super-rich people, who have more than the standard ND-Dem Mar 2015 #9
The super rich know... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #17
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Don't forget over population. Dawgs Mar 2015 #10
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Ha! No one said we should eliminate future generations. Dawgs Mar 2015 #41
I was responding to your comments about anyone having children making you sick Marrah_G Mar 2015 #88
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it's big and straw, and shaped like us! What could it be??!?!!! hatrack Mar 2015 #81
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It's a serious issue... Oktober Mar 2015 #43
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overpopulation is not a problem in western countries ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #46
Still a problem for the whole planet, and it's just a small part of reason I feel ill about it. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #48
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the corporate world KT2000 Mar 2015 #11
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I decided over 50 years ago not to. safeinOhio Mar 2015 #14
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You do the important part - you help out with future generations. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #53
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You're not even close. "Scientists" never believed it, even then. No popular consensus, either hatrack Mar 2015 #83
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Why so defensive? The OP wasn't telling you, or your kids, that they are wrong. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #65
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