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JonLP24

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24. The US isn't to be trusted regarding Afghanistan
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:42 PM
Mar 2015

For better or worse, the Taliban are likely to remain a political force in government. Another new government? You can't kill them all and especially when we far too nice to the golden goose -- Saudi Arabia who already has the oppression accomplished, a very long time ago. A significant turning point was the automobile when they decided women aren't allowed to drive or drive by themselves when prior, a woman was still allowed to ride a camel by herself. If the US had a legitimate human rights concern they would be in Saudi Arabia yesterday & I don't mean war staging & planning or drilling for oil.

Regarding US involvement, given that NATO was involved it reeks of "shock therapy" especially when I found out the US was involved in overthrowing the communists (or that was the accusation or stated difference justifying regime change) in charge, even by the Pentagon's own admission the US primary cause of the corruption because of the CIA teaming up with drug traffickers & war lords, Afghanistan had one of the worst banking crisis in history right around the time of our "Financial Crisis". Not to mention contracts were just an easy way to fatten their pockets, many projects were simply left unfinished and this is regarding US contractor contracts. The Afghanistan government reportedly had some anti-corruption proposals they wanted to pass but a US Diplomat was publicly criticizing them, basically saying they shouldn't do it because they won't work.

The US & NATO was more concerned that Russia isn't allowed, shouldn't be allowed, & under no circumstances allow them take part whatever it is going on in Afghanistan.



Any decision on the end date/end state will be taken by the respective national and/or Alliance political committee. Under no circumstances should the mission end-date be a topic for speculation in public by any NATO/ISAF spokespeople.
The term "compensation" is inappropriate and should not be used because it brings with it legal implications that do not apply.
Any talk of stationing or deploying Russian military assets in Afghanistan is out of the question and has never been the subject of any considerations.
Only if pressed: ISAF forces are frequently fired at from inside Pakistan, very close to the border. In some cases defensive fire is required, against specific threats. Wherever possible, such fire is pre-coordinated with the Pakistani military.

https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks_cracks_NATO%27s_Master_Narrative_for_Afghanistan

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What an excellent way to illustrate why President Obama's job is not so easy. If we leave NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
I wish people would respond. marym625 Mar 2015 #2
Obama's predicament is what this is about though, when you put him in the middle of NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #3
He has already decided. marym625 Mar 2015 #5
What exactly has he decided, remind me, timeline etc. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #6
The time line for pulling out of Afghanistan is set. marym625 Mar 2015 #8
my bad marym625 Mar 2015 #9
It is interesting how US troop numbers are tied into whether US is still there or not JonLP24 Mar 2015 #35
+100 marym625 Mar 2015 #38
found it. marym625 Mar 2015 #26
In Afghanistan before the Russians wrecked the country and did nothing to rebuild Warpy Mar 2015 #33
Well said marym625 Mar 2015 #40
I think the Kurdish women of the PPK have an answer...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2015 #4
Do you believe that is possible for women in Afghanistan? marym625 Mar 2015 #7
Well, the Kurdish women are in the very same area of the world..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2015 #18
Great points marym625 Mar 2015 #21
The difference is that the kurdish men allow the women to have weapons Marrah_G Mar 2015 #77
People are very quick to say "We need to leave country such and such NOW!!" Lurks Often Mar 2015 #10
Thank you for your thoughts marym625 Mar 2015 #11
We have a fairly small presence in Afghanistan, even with TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #12
I never believed we should stay in Afghanistan forever Lurks Often Mar 2015 #15
This is why the US spends so much on the military The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #13
I don't like it marym625 Mar 2015 #14
The lion's share of defense spending goes to private defense contractors & this is what they do on a JonLP24 Mar 2015 #80
The old yank on the heartstrings school of warmongering, huh? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #16
I respect that marym625 Mar 2015 #19
Yes. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #72
Yes, I agree marym625 Mar 2015 #73
We have the responsibility to get the fuck out and to stop destabilizing everything we don't like TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #74
Nothing marym625 Mar 2015 #81
No. Throd Mar 2015 #17
Thank you marym625 Mar 2015 #20
Absolutely not. Marr Mar 2015 #22
absolutely right marym625 Mar 2015 #23
The US isn't to be trusted regarding Afghanistan JonLP24 Mar 2015 #24
excellent post marym625 Mar 2015 #25
Well, if our goal and any of our actions were to protect girls and women, Jamastiene Mar 2015 #27
Good point marym625 Mar 2015 #29
men and women need protection from the taliban bastards Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #28
Very true marym625 Mar 2015 #31
Wow -- I never really knew too much of the Taliban but the one man standing in their way JonLP24 Mar 2015 #34
Thanks for all the information marym625 Mar 2015 #41
Thanks for appreciating what I was just recently fearing I was going overboard JonLP24 Mar 2015 #47
my favorite part of DU, learning marym625 Mar 2015 #52
That is very key point you mention JonLP24 Mar 2015 #68
The lack of shocks in the humvees marym625 Mar 2015 #70
Seems quixotic, given that they can't even protect females in the US military. bluedigger Mar 2015 #30
seriously excellent point marym625 Mar 2015 #32
Chain of command only works when the links are competent & ethical JonLP24 Mar 2015 #42
Thanks for sharing your experience, JonLP. bluedigger Mar 2015 #71
Well the 1SG had for the vast majority of time was very incompetent JonLP24 Mar 2015 #75
You definitely have more stories than I. bluedigger Mar 2015 #79
I was in Iraq, not Afghanistan Victor_c3 Mar 2015 #36
Thank you. marym625 Mar 2015 #43
Great post. dissentient Mar 2015 #45
Giving them the money directly (the women) would probably work better bemildred Mar 2015 #37
hmm. marym625 Mar 2015 #44
It's possible, it's just not rewarding to the people who make such decisions. bemildred Mar 2015 #50
I wonder if there's a charity that specifically earmarks marym625 Mar 2015 #53
There are some out there, but I'd check into them carefully. bemildred Mar 2015 #55
I don't know that government or private charities marym625 Mar 2015 #61
+1. bemildred Mar 2015 #66
The Food Depository in Chicago marym625 Mar 2015 #67
I wish it could be the United Nations doing this. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #39
That's a really good point marym625 Mar 2015 #46
+1 treestar Mar 2015 #48
Pull out bigwillq Mar 2015 #49
yep. marym625 Mar 2015 #56
The United States BubbaFett Mar 2015 #51
nope. marym625 Mar 2015 #57
Out. Iggo Mar 2015 #54
yep. Thank you marym625 Mar 2015 #58
Pull out now! B Calm Mar 2015 #59
yep. I agree marym625 Mar 2015 #62
I think we need to pull out. elias49 Mar 2015 #60
We sure should not be trying marym625 Mar 2015 #63
Why not offer them immigration? We do for other life-endangering scenarios. randome Mar 2015 #64
interesting idea marym625 Mar 2015 #65
Nice sentiment. elias49 Mar 2015 #69
We should extend an invitation to any afghani woman who wants to emigrate to the US. Marrah_G Mar 2015 #76
Someone else suggested that as well marym625 Mar 2015 #82
Time for the reminder: Liberals urged Afghanistan intervention years before 9/11. ieoeja Mar 2015 #78
at the beginning of the war Snow Leopard Mar 2015 #83
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