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In reply to the discussion: How Did Obama Become Our Most Imperial President? [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)90. The answers have been provided over and over and over again.
You'd just pretend they haven't, so you can change the subject from your poorly-written author's post.
So, do you believe that President Obama is a non-imperial President, a less imperial President than Bush or a more imperial President?
Less. All the "bad" you blame on Obama are W's policies, and Obama isn't trying to conquer the middle east. To claim W was less imperial is a demonstration that one is not being objective. You'd have to claim that increased drone strikes are somehow more imperial than conquering Iraq. And that is patently insane.
However, neither W nor Obama are LBJ. Or FDR. That guy reaaaaaly loved his war powers. Perhaps we should consider Lincoln's jailing of people who said things he didn't like? Or do we ignore that MASSIVE first amendment violation because he ended slavery? Do the founders get a pass on the shit they pulled, even though they had just written the Constitution?
As for your map, here's a couple exercises that might help you:
First, how many of those places had no US presence, and then received troops after Obama took office?
Second, how many of those places have US troops that aren't providing training or other foreign aid?
I'll wait while you look it up.
Frankly, I think the issue is people on the left are measuring Obama not against other presidents, or reality, but the dream candidate in their head. When the actual Obama comes up lacking against their dream candidate, they declare him "Worst ever!!!!" without bothering to consider history.
Is Obama perfect? Fuck no. The guy's way too desperate for a grand bargain, for example. But he isn't Satan either.
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"just more fear-mongering bullshit from the usual source." End your personal attacks/trash talk
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#10
Political assassinations are now accepted as official government policy for the first time.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#21
I think it could be said of most since the end of wwII, but it has been pretty blatant since the
got root
Apr 2012
#17
that list is very weak, full of fluff, much of it's so vague or commonplace as to render it useless
stockholmer
May 2012
#101
Yeah, it is very creepy... after 911, everything changed, and now this is the new normal
got root
Apr 2012
#15
One of them posts about issues which used to be of importance to Democrats, and still are.
sabrina 1
May 2012
#97
Looking "tough" is de rigeuer during campaign season. And, don't forget the flag pins.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2012
#32
Then start your own OP about it. Do not derail threads other people are interested in. It doesn't
sabrina 1
May 2012
#53
It's what they got. There are too many facts that they can't talk around and too many people
Egalitarian Thug
May 2012
#79
Well, it seems we have a few posters who would rather engage in drive-by personal attacks.
Better Believe It
May 2012
#81
So you think the author indicated an imperial President is something new in U.S. history?
Better Believe It
May 2012
#86
No, I think the author has a weak grasp of history if they think Obama's the most imperial
jeff47
May 2012
#87
And this afternoon we are treated to a marvelous Obama speech to the Afghan occupation troops.
Better Believe It
May 2012
#88
So you think President Obama is a less imperial President than George W. Bush!!!
Better Believe It
May 2012
#93
Unless the people put a stop to this, the next president will be a lot worse.
sabrina 1
May 2012
#54
How would Karl Rove counter the fact that "Obama killed OBL and the GOP didn't"
JoePhilly
May 2012
#59
I love how BBI posts critical Obama articles but then he and his friends can say
WI_DEM
May 2012
#66
I think you're misrepresenting or simply haven't read my comments on articles that disagree
Better Believe It
May 2012
#72
Especially when the authors of those articles are right wingers and racists...
SidDithers
May 2012
#75
It's *easy* to be a fan of this President, if you approve of due-process-free Drone Killings.
Romulox
May 2012
#68
I don't think I'm allowed to sell fast food to the drive-by attackers!
Better Believe It
May 2012
#95