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KMOD

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193. I didn't have difficult pregnancies.

Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:02 PM

Mar 2015

I experienced difficult labor and delivery.

Take my first one, for instance, I delivered twins, vaginally, at 40 weeks. That is historically normal. What wasn't normal was that I didn't have a C-section.

Most women do not carry multiple births full-term and not have a C-section in this day and age.

Why you wish to have child bearing women to suffer from PTSD because young men do, is beyond me. I don't get your logic.

I don't like war, I don't want anyone to be subjected to war, but it's insane to think that child bearing aged women, should serve, just because you think that's fair.

And for what it's worth, a very close friend of mine was not only sent to NY to search the rubble for remains, he was also sent to Iraq. And yes, he has PTSD of some sorts because of it, anxiety, depression, and I know he would find your argument of drafting women for fairness absolutely ridiculous.

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Should women be drafted into the military? [View all] Renew Deal Mar 2015 OP

If men and women make a stupid decision Aerows Mar 2015 #1

If men and women are ever again drafted LittleBlue Mar 2015 #2

Yes and there SHOULD be a draft, elleng Mar 2015 #3

That would result in a military so large as to make war more likely hack89 Mar 2015 #16

I think the idea is that everyone is up for the draft, no exceptions. ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2015 #19

One of the things we learned from Vietnam SteveG Mar 2015 #20

Yep. You nailed it. BlueJazz Mar 2015 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #87

We killed 2 Million Vietnamese people while "figuring it out". Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #135

I've made that same argument for decades. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #181

We would never fight a war with conscripts hack89 Mar 2015 #21

There was exactly such a shortage in Vietnam. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #65

Two thirds of those who went to Viet Nam were volunteers hack89 Mar 2015 #74

All the enlisted men E-5 & below in my infantry company Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #182

So President Johnson's gladium et scutum Mar 2015 #174

Well, he wasn't gonna come right out and SAY that... Ken Burch Mar 2015 #185

I am not sure gladium et scutum Mar 2015 #199

Is that why WW2 had 10 Million Draftee's One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #145

What potential enemy would we need that large an army against? hack89 Mar 2015 #156

And age limits should be broadened... fadedrose Mar 2015 #26

Kind of like... rainbobryte Mar 2015 #39

'zackly fadedrose Mar 2015 #43

Those were amazing times. rainbobryte Mar 2015 #206

There's no need for a large conscript military Ex Lurker Mar 2015 #48

I don't see why not A Little Weird Mar 2015 #4

I do. pnwmom Mar 2015 #37

Pass the ERA, and eliminate draft registration. stone space Mar 2015 #82

I agree. I think we should have an ERA regardless. pnwmom Mar 2015 #88

Nobody should support a draft ever. stone space Mar 2015 #90

Only if Canada will accept them as refugees along with men. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #5

Canada won't do that anymore. leftofcool Mar 2015 #10

If we would get back to drafting sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #6

There won't be a draft BainsBane Mar 2015 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #81

This male voter has two daughters. stone space Mar 2015 #86

Sure, as soon as men start producing babies. Warpy Mar 2015 #8

+1 KMOD Mar 2015 #12

Funny how males never think in those terms Warpy Mar 2015 #14

Reminds me of a Gloria Steinam quote leftofcool Mar 2015 #76

'If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament'. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #95

War is a sacrament. stone space Mar 2015 #103

Why should the ability to give birth SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #18

Are your daughters aware of this? KMOD Mar 2015 #29

If there was a draft, people would be making that decision for his boys too. PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #40

Lol, KMOD Mar 2015 #41

How much do you know about me? PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #70

Of course they should. stone space Mar 2015 #89

What decision? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #73

I've met plenty of warmongering women forsaken mortal Mar 2015 #35

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with that Warpy Mar 2015 #50

If childbirth and war were the only dangers, your point would be stronger. 2013 US child birth Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #105

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #84

I totally agree. TM99 Mar 2015 #38

Yes, because you can just as easily raise a child while in college, or in a career as you can KMOD Mar 2015 #42

Sorry, TM99 Mar 2015 #53

OK, I'll go to war, and you can give birth. KMOD Mar 2015 #58

This a false equivalency. TM99 Mar 2015 #67

I think any woman who wishes to serve, should serve. KMOD Mar 2015 #133

I am not in favor of a draft. TM99 Mar 2015 #155

+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #159

You sound like those assholes who slam doors in a woman's face Jamastiene Mar 2015 #197

And yet I am not. TM99 Mar 2015 #198

Thanks! I momentarily forgot that military service is dangerous and thus for men only. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #46

Childbirth is dangerous and it's for women only. KMOD Mar 2015 #47

Are you seriously conparing modern childbirthing TM99 Mar 2015 #68

i am thinking you do not have a real idea about "modern" childbirth so some info. seabeyond Mar 2015 #92

can you tell me what modern childbirthing is? KMOD Mar 2015 #131

With the advent of modern medicine TM99 Mar 2015 #152

I've had two modern childbirths KMOD Mar 2015 #161

I am sorry you had difficult pregnancies, TM99 Mar 2015 #187

I didn't have difficult pregnancies. KMOD Mar 2015 #193

I have seen combat. TM99 Mar 2015 #195

except women serve also, and it has been womens groups fighting for womens right to serve. seabeyond Mar 2015 #96

Right? Perhaps. Responsibility? Obviously not. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #126

feminist: womens issue. mans battle. go out and fight it. i will support YOU! seabeyond Mar 2015 #128

So feminism is about women's rights and not necessarily equal rights? davidn3600 Mar 2015 #138

feminism deals with womens issues and often overlaps to the rights of all. seabeyond Mar 2015 #139

Yes. If we consider equality a goal, it's incumbent on only men to advocate for it. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #188

Forcing women to kill and die in war is ok. stone space Mar 2015 #102

Oh, for goodness' sake TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #157

counterproductive to what? RB TexLa Mar 2015 #184

Interesting question RobertEarl Mar 2015 #9

We would need another version of, "Where have all the flowers gone?" MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #141

Yes but gwheezie Mar 2015 #11

Love your idea about us oldies sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #13

Will the phrase "Hell no, I won't go" work? leftofcool Mar 2015 #78

Yes (nt) bigwillq Mar 2015 #15

No one should be drafted into any military. Orsino Mar 2015 #17

Yes. Even better! Should all american animals be drafted? YES! Rex Mar 2015 #22

Nice post, Noah Renew Deal Mar 2015 #31

Are you calling me the father of Ham? Rex Mar 2015 #33

No draft, period. eoom uppityperson Mar 2015 #23

Just women? That's messed up, man. Iggo Mar 2015 #24

;) KMOD Mar 2015 #27

Lots of ifs; including or excluding women would be decided by the Supreme court Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #25

Yep. I'm all for equality for women (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #28

For just a hypothetical draft? KMOD Mar 2015 #30

I fully support the Fourteenth Amendment (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #32

No one should be drafted into the military. nt valerief Mar 2015 #34

Hell no. Not before an Equal Rights Amendment is passed. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #36

Hell no. And not after, either. stone space Mar 2015 #97

I'm opposed to the draft itself. DEMTough Mar 2015 #44

I'll take "How to end war immediately for $100, Alex". lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #45

I'd prefer that NO ONE be drafted, but if there's a draft, that's what EQUALITY is all about. MADem Mar 2015 #49

But we aren't equal. The Equal Rights Amendment failed, remember? No ERA, no women in any draft. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #51

Everybody??? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #52

There are active duty women in the military now you know, Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #55

yes, but they probably don't have health problems. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #60

So they are magically heathier? I just find your objection rather... Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #61

You don't know very many women. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #72

Again, what you said isn't a reason to not have universal service, indeed you seem to be arguing... Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #75

I didn't say ALL WOMEN. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #172

In that case, why are you posting about this again, do you think the military is going to want... Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #173

Newt? Is that you? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #189

Newt doesn't know the diff between a period and an infection. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #196

when they have enough political influence to stop the insanity Skittles Mar 2015 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author John Poet Mar 2015 #56

Technically more fair, but won't happen. TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #59

Not if they are the primary caregiver of their children Marrah_G Mar 2015 #62

I'M OPPOSED TO A DRAFT, REGARDLESS OF THE APPLICATION HeiressofBickworth Mar 2015 #63

If we have a draft, draft everybody. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #64

You suggest punishing children for the views of their parents? Seriously? People of draft age are Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #115

I have mixed feelings about this... yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #66

You are not playing the game correctly! djean111 Mar 2015 #83

only if a mandatory draft is started again nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #69

It depends on the occupation the military is using the draft for JonLP24 Mar 2015 #71

Other. MadrasT Mar 2015 #77

This! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #143

No. Hands off my daughters! stone space Mar 2015 #80

No draft. Period. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #85

Apparently some want to pick and choose what to have equality in davidn3600 Mar 2015 #91

feminists are not excluding women from the same obligations to service. it is repug male that says seabeyond Mar 2015 #94

I didnt say it was only feminists... davidn3600 Mar 2015 #98

"I didnt say it was only feminists..' again, feminist fight for the right of women to serve. seabeyond Mar 2015 #99

Have you even looked at the posts on this very thread! davidn3600 Mar 2015 #104

third time... feminists position is FIGHTING for the right for women to serve. seabeyond Mar 2015 #106

For some reason you are trying so very hard to find a way to disagree with me and start a fight davidn3600 Mar 2015 #109

what i am doing is presenting fact instead of your fiction. fact is: feminist position supports and seabeyond Mar 2015 #111

This thread is NOT about the "right of women to serve". stone space Mar 2015 #116

i specifically addressed a poster that consistently blames feminists for the ills of this world. seabeyond Mar 2015 #119

then, please - share it. I want to hear your opinion about the OP. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #136

here are a couple subthreads of opinion in different Ops. i really did not want to participate in seabeyond Mar 2015 #137

Personally, I think this OP is very badly worded but, I voted, yes. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #140

ya. i did not vote. if boys have to, then girls do. neither should. is my stand. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #142

I think education should include some type of service to our country, as in, Peace Corp -- Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #147

then again, if the are spending 6 or 7 yrs old more, in higher education to make a wage.... seabeyond Mar 2015 #148

I am not understanding you. Please clarify. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #149

i use to like the idea of a mandatory service. i can so see the education for boy in peace corps... seabeyond Mar 2015 #151

you are thinking private pay. I think not. I think they should get room/board/stipend Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #158

also.... if they do it freshly out of highschool, then i also feel that can stop a lot of kids seabeyond Mar 2015 #154

It should/could be included as part of our edcuation system based on a more European style. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #160

i agree with all you are saying. and further, i do not buy in all kids should go to college. seabeyond Mar 2015 #162

Yes. And now we understand why this OP is -so-badly worded. Thank you. - Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #163

back atcha. kinda like a .... discussion, of thought! fun to be had. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #164

Which has nothing to do with the point of this thread. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #190

it has everything to do with the post i replied to seabeyond Mar 2015 #194

Oh, most definitely. Some people DO want to pick and choose kcr Mar 2015 #183

Do you mean for combat MOS or you just mean the draft? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #191

Nobody should n/t eridani Mar 2015 #93

Do those here who support manditory military "service" for women also support... stone space Mar 2015 #100

What a bizarre question SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #107

Both ways of men telling our daughters how to live their lives. (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #108

Opening the draft up to women SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #110

You make it sound like an opportunity, not violent coersion. stone space Mar 2015 #112

That's an argument against the draft in general, not an issue that would only affect women. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #121

It's coercion for men as well SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #124

Different thread, different poll. stone space Mar 2015 #202

You seem to be the master of the non sequitur, seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #114

Why should we telling women how live their lives? stone space Mar 2015 #117

Again with the non sequitur, what the hell are you prattling on about? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #118

Whether or not we should kidnap women and force them... stone space Mar 2015 #120

Do you feel the same way about men? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #122

Of course I do. But that wasn't the question. stone space Mar 2015 #123

What you choose to ignore is that the question was asked SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #125

The poll does *not* ask "Do you support mandatory military service for women?". That's important. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #129

"If women are raped, should men also be raped?" stone space Mar 2015 #200

Why would a draft be reinstated? ileus Mar 2015 #101

Yes to the question in the text, no to the question in the title. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #113

Agree 100% on both counts n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #127

YES, and ONLY women should be drafted. It's time to balance an historic wrong HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #130

so, to compensate for the historical wrong of rape allowed, .... anytime a girl/women says rape, seabeyond Mar 2015 #132

Sure. Only if laundry_queen Mar 2015 #167

LOL. This is a real serious thread doncha know? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #170

If men are, yes. treestar Mar 2015 #134

Yes if men are women should be and there is a draft ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #144

As soon as the ERA is ratified I will consider this question TBF Mar 2015 #146

Actually that's a good point ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #150

Same here - anti war and anti-draft TBF Mar 2015 #166

No doubt an ERA should be ratified, but HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #153

I don't agree with conscription so someone else TBF Mar 2015 #165

What's with all the "trial balloons" about the draft? Wella Mar 2015 #168

Not while the US military is basically a giant rape camp mwrguy Mar 2015 #169

That is my reason for saying "No!" AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #175

Who cares? JackRiddler Mar 2015 #171

Yes. stone space Mar 2015 #201

I don't even think men should have ever been drafted. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #176

God damn, Jamastiene! Kath1 Mar 2015 #179

rape aspect is an excellent point i totally overlooked and their unwillingness to address. just a seabeyond Mar 2015 #180

Excellent points. Thanks. nt F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #204

I answerred OTHER because of a conversation I heard from a military officer. napi21 Mar 2015 #177

No to a draft for men or women. Joe Magarac Mar 2015 #178

Not only no, but hell no kcr Mar 2015 #186

This poll kind of begs the question(s) CreekDog Mar 2015 #192

See campanion poll here: stone space Mar 2015 #203

Easiest way to see just how 'equal' a person believes women should be to men... Lancero Mar 2015 #205