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JonLP24

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34. Wow -- I never really knew too much of the Taliban but the one man standing in their way
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:17 AM
Mar 2015

was assassinated in the early 2000s & there were numerous attempts on his life.

I know they're Wahabbi cult like House of Saud, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, etc & if they're in control use a lot of fear & intimidation as well as overload on the propaganda. Usually the first rule is don't criticize them then the public beheading is done as a brutal example to keep the others in line.

In the case of Saudi Arabia, occasionally demonstrations break out but ends after a few beheading which exactly was the case regarding Nimr Al-Nimr so disagreeing with them opens you up to a brutal execution but I didn't expect to find such a straight forward example right away under 2001

After longstanding battles especially for the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, Abdul Rashid Dostum and his Junbish forces were defeated by the Taliban and their allies in 1998. Dostum subsequently went into exile. Ahmad Shah Massoud remained the only major anti-Taliban leader inside Afghanistan who was able to defend vast parts of his territory against the Taliban.

In the areas under his control Massoud set up democratic institutions and signed the Women's Rights Declaration.[112] In the area of Massoud, women and girls did not have to wear the Afghan burqa. They were allowed to work and to go to school. In at least two known instances, Massoud personally intervened against cases of forced marriage.[36]

It is our conviction and we believe that both men and women are created by the Almighty. Both have equal rights. Women can pursue an education, women can pursue a career, and women can play a role in society – just like men.[36]
—Ahmad Shah Massoud, 2001

Massoud is adamant that in Afghanistan women have suffered oppression for generations. He says that 'the cultural environment of the country suffocates women. But the Taliban exacerbate this with oppression.' His most ambitious project is to shatter this cultural prejudice and so give more space, freedom and equality to women – they would have the same rights as men.[36]
—Pepe Escobar, Massoud: From Warrior to Statesman

Afghan traditions would need a generation or more to overcome and could only be challenged by education, he said.[36] Humayun Tandar, who took part as an Afghan diplomat in the 2001 International Conference on Afghanistan in Bonn, said that "strictures of language, ethnicity, region were [also] stifling for Massoud. That is why ... he wanted to create a unity which could surpass the situation in which we found ourselves and still find ourselves to this day."[36] This applied also to strictures of religion. Jean-José Puig describes how Massoud often led prayers before a meal or at times asked his fellow Muslims to lead the prayer but also did not hesitate to ask a Christian friend Jean-José Puig or the Jewish Princeton University Professor Michael Barry: "Jean-José, we believe in the same God. Please, tell us the prayer before lunch or dinner in your own language."[36]

Human Rights Watch cites no human rights crimes for the forces under direct control of Massoud for the period from October 1996 until the assassination of Massoud in September 2001.[31] 400,000 to one million Afghans fled from the Taliban to the area of Massoud.[91][113] National Geographic concluded in its documentary "Inside the Taliban":

The only thing standing in the way of future Taliban massacres is Ahmad Shah Massoud.[91]
—National Geographic, Inside the Taliban

The Taliban repeatedly offered Massoud a position of power to make him stop his resistance. Massoud declined. He explained in one interview:

The Taliban say: 'Come and accept the post of prime minister and be with us', and they would keep the highest office in the country, the presidentship. But at what cost?! The difference between us concerns mainly our way of thinking about the very principles of the society and the state. We can not accept their conditions of compromise, or else we would have to give up the principles of modern democracy. We are fundamentally against the system called 'the Emirate of Afghanistan".[114]
—Ahmad Shah Massoud, 2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Afghanistan torn apart by armed conflict since 1978 -- Ahmad Shah Massoud has spent pretty much his entire life at war inside Afghanistan & managed to survive, even the several attempts on his life following 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud

I should probably study Pakistan more given that their name comes indicating they're a middle man to all this chaos. Saudi Arabia, if the report I read was true struck up an arrangement with Pakistan to provide them a nuke when they want one which also has the benefit of being able to say they don't have nukes on Saudi soil & enjoy whatever having nuke brings you. They also blamed the US for this because they weren't hard enough on Iran.

I need to check out this book: Taliban: Islam, Oil and the New Great Game in Central Asia Mentions some enemy of my enemy type of alliances on part of the US in early 90s regarding Iran as well as they offered a hopeful outlook regarding an oil company (privatization is a big part of Wahabbism for some reason).

One thing I did come across is Saudi Arabia is among the lowest of the low regarding Human Rights. The Talibans does appear to take it further than the others. The others take genders roles to the extreme & seem to trying to prevent all those bad things normally taken as advice such as lust with the whole males aren't allowed to communicate with women not related to them or vice versa so whenever a woman does something "wrong" they are addressed through the male relative & if it becomes a repeat issue than the male is the initial target for the punishment. I've received ass chewing from people who just came back by from an ass chewing which makes it worse than normal for some reason but I don't even want to imagine what some women face regarding how some men choose to police these dress code violations.

The Taliban however even goes so far to rename a woman's garden to the spring's garden & eliminating the word woman from the vocubilarity is what ranks as a pressing concern so their ideology or to make a generalization regarding the Taliban's women rights' records they seem to be offended by the existence of a woman. You'd probably have to look very hard to find a group or rulers with a worse women rights records

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What an excellent way to illustrate why President Obama's job is not so easy. If we leave NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
I wish people would respond. marym625 Mar 2015 #2
Obama's predicament is what this is about though, when you put him in the middle of NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #3
He has already decided. marym625 Mar 2015 #5
What exactly has he decided, remind me, timeline etc. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #6
The time line for pulling out of Afghanistan is set. marym625 Mar 2015 #8
my bad marym625 Mar 2015 #9
It is interesting how US troop numbers are tied into whether US is still there or not JonLP24 Mar 2015 #35
+100 marym625 Mar 2015 #38
found it. marym625 Mar 2015 #26
In Afghanistan before the Russians wrecked the country and did nothing to rebuild Warpy Mar 2015 #33
Well said marym625 Mar 2015 #40
I think the Kurdish women of the PPK have an answer...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2015 #4
Do you believe that is possible for women in Afghanistan? marym625 Mar 2015 #7
Well, the Kurdish women are in the very same area of the world..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2015 #18
Great points marym625 Mar 2015 #21
The difference is that the kurdish men allow the women to have weapons Marrah_G Mar 2015 #77
People are very quick to say "We need to leave country such and such NOW!!" Lurks Often Mar 2015 #10
Thank you for your thoughts marym625 Mar 2015 #11
We have a fairly small presence in Afghanistan, even with TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #12
I never believed we should stay in Afghanistan forever Lurks Often Mar 2015 #15
This is why the US spends so much on the military The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #13
I don't like it marym625 Mar 2015 #14
The lion's share of defense spending goes to private defense contractors & this is what they do on a JonLP24 Mar 2015 #80
The old yank on the heartstrings school of warmongering, huh? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #16
I respect that marym625 Mar 2015 #19
Yes. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #72
Yes, I agree marym625 Mar 2015 #73
We have the responsibility to get the fuck out and to stop destabilizing everything we don't like TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #74
Nothing marym625 Mar 2015 #81
No. Throd Mar 2015 #17
Thank you marym625 Mar 2015 #20
Absolutely not. Marr Mar 2015 #22
absolutely right marym625 Mar 2015 #23
The US isn't to be trusted regarding Afghanistan JonLP24 Mar 2015 #24
excellent post marym625 Mar 2015 #25
Well, if our goal and any of our actions were to protect girls and women, Jamastiene Mar 2015 #27
Good point marym625 Mar 2015 #29
men and women need protection from the taliban bastards Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #28
Very true marym625 Mar 2015 #31
Wow -- I never really knew too much of the Taliban but the one man standing in their way JonLP24 Mar 2015 #34
Thanks for all the information marym625 Mar 2015 #41
Thanks for appreciating what I was just recently fearing I was going overboard JonLP24 Mar 2015 #47
my favorite part of DU, learning marym625 Mar 2015 #52
That is very key point you mention JonLP24 Mar 2015 #68
The lack of shocks in the humvees marym625 Mar 2015 #70
Seems quixotic, given that they can't even protect females in the US military. bluedigger Mar 2015 #30
seriously excellent point marym625 Mar 2015 #32
Chain of command only works when the links are competent & ethical JonLP24 Mar 2015 #42
Thanks for sharing your experience, JonLP. bluedigger Mar 2015 #71
Well the 1SG had for the vast majority of time was very incompetent JonLP24 Mar 2015 #75
You definitely have more stories than I. bluedigger Mar 2015 #79
I was in Iraq, not Afghanistan Victor_c3 Mar 2015 #36
Thank you. marym625 Mar 2015 #43
Great post. dissentient Mar 2015 #45
Giving them the money directly (the women) would probably work better bemildred Mar 2015 #37
hmm. marym625 Mar 2015 #44
It's possible, it's just not rewarding to the people who make such decisions. bemildred Mar 2015 #50
I wonder if there's a charity that specifically earmarks marym625 Mar 2015 #53
There are some out there, but I'd check into them carefully. bemildred Mar 2015 #55
I don't know that government or private charities marym625 Mar 2015 #61
+1. bemildred Mar 2015 #66
The Food Depository in Chicago marym625 Mar 2015 #67
I wish it could be the United Nations doing this. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #39
That's a really good point marym625 Mar 2015 #46
+1 treestar Mar 2015 #48
Pull out bigwillq Mar 2015 #49
yep. marym625 Mar 2015 #56
The United States BubbaFett Mar 2015 #51
nope. marym625 Mar 2015 #57
Out. Iggo Mar 2015 #54
yep. Thank you marym625 Mar 2015 #58
Pull out now! B Calm Mar 2015 #59
yep. I agree marym625 Mar 2015 #62
I think we need to pull out. elias49 Mar 2015 #60
We sure should not be trying marym625 Mar 2015 #63
Why not offer them immigration? We do for other life-endangering scenarios. randome Mar 2015 #64
interesting idea marym625 Mar 2015 #65
Nice sentiment. elias49 Mar 2015 #69
We should extend an invitation to any afghani woman who wants to emigrate to the US. Marrah_G Mar 2015 #76
Someone else suggested that as well marym625 Mar 2015 #82
Time for the reminder: Liberals urged Afghanistan intervention years before 9/11. ieoeja Mar 2015 #78
at the beginning of the war Snow Leopard Mar 2015 #83
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