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138. I was vehemenly and actively opposed to Reagan, it's very easy to say that. Reagan was vile.

Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:14 PM

Mar 2015

Reagan’s embrace of apartheid South Africa
Despite a growing international movement to topple apartheid in the 1980s, President Ronald Reagan maintained a close alliance with a South African government that was showing no signs of serious reform. And the Reagan administration demonized opponents of apartheid, most notably the African National Congress, as dangerous and pro-communist. Reagan even vetoed a bill to impose sanctions on South Africa, only to be overruled by Congress.

On a trip to the United States after winning the Nobel Prize in 1984, Bishop Desmond Tutu memorably declared that Reagan’s policy was ”immoral, evil and totally un-Christian.” Reagan’s record on South Africa was also marked by at least one embarrassing gaffe, when he told a radio interviewer in 1985: “They have eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country — the type of thing where hotels and restaurants and places of entertainment and so forth were segregated — that has all been eliminated.” Of course, that was simply not true, and Reagan later walked the statement back.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/05/ronald_reagan_apartheid_south_africa/

Reagan's AIDSGATE
http://www.actupny.org/reports/reagan.html

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Why do Third Wayers hate being called Third Wayers? [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 OP

Truth hurts. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #1

And the truth is that Wall St took over the other party long ago, but they need at least half of the sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #46

+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #79

Another +1. n/t ChazII Mar 2015 #94

...^ that 840high Mar 2015 #103

Exactly. Kermitt Gribble Mar 2015 #118

Because pointing out that there are more than two camps undermines the lesser-of-two-evils GoneFishin Mar 2015 #2

Exactly. nt LWolf Mar 2015 #105

Well I am in a hypocritical position here so I want to state that upfront. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #3

So... Are you saying progressives LIKE H-1B program expansion? cascadiance Mar 2015 #5

I don't agree with her on trade. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #7

She wouldn't like H-1b program because she's conservative treestar Mar 2015 #55

Expansion of H-1b program is very good for the Wall Street economy (the 1%'er economy). stillwaiting Mar 2015 #60

Hillary doesn't agree with that stuff treestar Mar 2015 #62

I will NEVER waste energy trying to convince you of progressive ideas. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #63

This post really is a truckload of vomit. Had to say it. Sorry again. nt stillwaiting Mar 2015 #65

A truckload. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #81

It makes me so sad how Reaganite, trickle-down, supply-side bullshit is allowed here. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #87

They seldom come right out and say they favor supply side but their silence speaks volumes. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #90

They've been pretty open about their agenda though. Not so secret that's for sure. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #93

so us old time Democrats marym625 Mar 2015 #98

Not a chance. Don't give up. I hope my posts didn't imply that! stillwaiting Mar 2015 #135

... TBF Mar 2015 #71

Not conservative. LWolf Mar 2015 #106

Seems to me that would mean you wouldn't be offended by the term then. Bonobo Mar 2015 #8

I do get offended when I get called third wayer. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #9

Did anyone actually call YOU specifically a Third Wayer? nt Bonobo Mar 2015 #11

Personally a few times yes and when they call Hillary supporters third wayers in general. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #12

Thank you for your reply. Bonobo Mar 2015 #13

Thank you. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #14

It shouldn't be an insult to people who support the policies of the Third Way. They are a Think Tank sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #49

This, to me, is the most insidious part... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #80

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #83

Justin.....there's an entire litany of names the President's supporters msanthrope Mar 2015 #77

At this point I need to just not care if they call me third wayer. i know I have nothing to do with hrmjustin Mar 2015 #110

Laughter...Justin...laughter. Nothing works better. I can't even begin to tell you about the msanthrope Mar 2015 #134

One is compelled to conclude you are unaware that your allegiance is with Third Way 2banon Mar 2015 #122

And if you vote for Hillary as the nominee are you third way? hrmjustin Mar 2015 #127

Are you serious? 2banon Mar 2015 #130

Oh Puma lives I see. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #131

How do you define a progressive? JDPriestly Mar 2015 #30

I believe in taxing the rich higher amounts to pay for social services. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #32

Did you support the war in Iraq? If not, do you forgive those that lied to us? nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #125

I do not support the Iraq war. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #128

how do I put this? Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #4

At my age, I am long past the time I worry about what names people call me leftofcool Mar 2015 #6

No one's actually trying to intimidate you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #84

If you are a Center-right winger, own it. If you are a Fringy lefty leftist, own it. Rex Mar 2015 #10

Because not everyone who supports President Obama geek tragedy Mar 2015 #15

Do you basically share the ideals of the Third Way? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #16

No I do not, nor have I ever been a member geek tragedy Mar 2015 #17

May I ask what your disagreements are MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #19

I am a partisan liberal Democrat. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #21

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #133

Good point JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #137

Personally it has to do with the negatively posted by some, Third Way isnt Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #18

if you thinkabout it RobertEarl Mar 2015 #20

Issues like minimun wage, wage disparity, education, energy, economy Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #57

On which issues do you agree with the Third Way? JDPriestly Mar 2015 #31

I have listed several in post #57. They have good ideas on handling health issues. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #58

Neo-cons hate being called Neo-cons too Joe Turner Mar 2015 #22

Wish I had seen your post first rpannier Mar 2015 #25

There is a saying out there about groups that change names frequently. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #85

"re-branding" Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice Mar 2015 #23

I agree and disagree in part with your use of few rpannier Mar 2015 #26

It's used as fact. Shame over their own policies and their own allegiances are what they're hoping Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #36

Which is why many of us don't use Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #86

You got Turd Way because of the rebranding dance and the label roulette TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #116

same reason neo-cons didn't like being called such by about 2006 rpannier Mar 2015 #24

I dunno, I actually looked at that website today. I now know the third way is not a myth, but dissentient Mar 2015 #27

I think it's the ''3-way'' connotations. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #28

+1 Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #74

Never been called Third Way, but I wouldn't take offense. Yorktown Mar 2015 #29

pretending to be morally pure. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #33

Back when the third way first reared it's ugly head, they didn't hide from it - it was their brand. Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #34

They know they've lost the argument within the party Ken Burch Mar 2015 #38

third way = closet republicans trying to undermine the democrats nt msongs Mar 2015 #35

That's how I've always felt about it. If Pubs have been infiltrating school boards, state offices, Nay Mar 2015 #52

+1 /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #56

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #88

The "centrist"(i.e., moderate conservative) theft of the term "Third Way" has bothered me for years. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #37

you were the better third. yurbud Mar 2015 #43

Thanks. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #47

Why are you calling anybody, anything? Sarcastica Mar 2015 #39

+1. They do it to attempt to tell us we aren't liberals treestar Mar 2015 #54

It is what they call themselves. Check out the link, it's not "calling names" dissentient Mar 2015 #59

Work LWolf Mar 2015 #108

When we "call" someone a Democrat or Republicon, we are describing them by their beliefs. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #119

The same reason tea-baggers hate being called tea-baggers. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #40

because they haven't come up with a new label to escape their record yet? yurbud Mar 2015 #41

the have rebranded more often than Blackwater and venereal disease. yurbud Mar 2015 #42

Why shouldn't they run from 3rd way? Their policies can be blamed for keeping wages supressed, taxes whereisjustice Mar 2015 #44

I can hazard a guess, though I am not one myself. Marr Mar 2015 #45

Because they left behind such a bloody history that the name has a track record. Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #48

Conservative and corporate policys regardless of party are BAD for America and the 99% anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #50

Third Way - DLC Defenders - Support The 1% - Defend Wall Street - Not Main Street cantbeserious Mar 2015 #51

Does healthcare only support the 1%? Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #61

HealthCARE NO! Health INSURANCE YES! hobbit709 Mar 2015 #69

Are you saying the ACA has only helped the 1%? Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #70

Insurance Company Profits Directly Benefit The 1% cantbeserious Mar 2015 #73

Insurance companies do profit but many have niw qualified for Medicaid Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #75

They are merely pointing that out treestar Mar 2015 #53

Here's the thing Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #64

I think you're answering a different OP MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #66

No, I know who and what Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #67

Did you vote for Reagan, or not? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #68

I know I didn't, and I doubt there are more than a handful of people on here who did. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #89

It's why I'm asking. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #91

I was vehemenly and actively opposed to Reagan, it's very easy to say that. Reagan was vile. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #138

Reagan's utter inhumanity inspired me to become a Democrat. msanthrope Mar 2015 #139

Your post was alerted on, 2-5 to leave it. betsuni Mar 2015 #92

Go figure. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #104

This was the first time I commented on a jury decision and I was not shy. betsuni Mar 2015 #109

Didn't a "good Democrat" rank Reagan in the top 10? Maybe they voted for him a time or two too. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #140

He asked looking down from the pulpit. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #72

They just don't think that they themselves are Third Way, simply because Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #76

Well, when I do my election monitoring, canvassing, msanthrope Mar 2015 #78

Congrats. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #82

I agree. Marr Mar 2015 #114

How about just stopping calling people things? MineralMan Mar 2015 #95

As a progressive, I don't much care for the application of lables onto others. That's a conservative Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #96

Interesting because historically they named and renamed THEMSELVES HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #97

That has nothing to do with what I said. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #100

I think it does. I think, just as you suggest should be the case, they named themselves HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #102

And yet the OP's question is not about what folks call themselves but about things folks are called Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #113

So Pat Robertson can start calling himself pro equality but just continue the hate TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #142

Humans label, it is hardly a function of ideology. The "No Labels" folks are just another TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #141

The problem is that people often don't like being described as what they are. They don't understand rhett o rick Mar 2015 #99

There are no true Scotsmen if one position taints all the rest. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #101

I don't disagree. But we do describe people and the descriptions are loosely given. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #115

THIS - exactly!!!!!! djean111 Mar 2015 #129

Yes, I'm saying 'careful', re Third Way/DLC...it emerged from mostly southern conservative HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #143

It isn't one issue it is a great many while the opposite is way closer to accurate TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #120

Right. A non-racist neocon isn't progressive. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #124

When you hug the oligarchy to win elections their stink rubs off on you. L0oniX Mar 2015 #107

Not if I deny that it does. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #117

Reminds them of things with 3 Octafish Mar 2015 #112

When a tactic works, the apparatchik only reluctantly let go of it... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #121

I don't know, but it is still better than being called collaborating pieces of shit Tom Ripley Mar 2015 #123

Why ask us? Ask Third Way Manny. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #126

Because it's tossed around as a perjorative ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #132

Because some are centrist that do not toe the Third Way line. Rex Mar 2015 #136

Locking. William769 Mar 2015 #144