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Showing Original Post only (View all)The jailed garbageman case is NOT racism [View all]
It's not about race: it's about punishing the wrong entity, and, possibly about a corporation that does what it pleases regardless of its customer's wishes.Over the past few days, there have been a number of posts about this story from the Daily Mail:
Garbage man jailed for 30 days because he came to work too EARLY and annoyed residents of wealthy Atlanta suburb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984054/Garbage-man-thrown-jail-30-days-getting-work-early-annoying-residents-wealthy-Atlanta-suburb-houses-professional-athletes-rap-star.html#ixzz3TuFHJLuJ
The headline screams classicism, and it's very easy to take the emotional bait, especially since the garbage man is black, the city is in the South, and the central problem seems to be a noise ordinance. Those of us who live in big cities know that the trash people often wake us up before the alarm goes off, an there's a certain amount of jealousy of wealthy people who can sleep without the same annoyance.
However, this is actually a more complicated case and requires a little logic to understand.
PLEASE READ my argument below BEFORE you start commenting:
The garbageman, Kevin McGill, works for a company, Waste Management Inc, which accompanied him to the courthouse:
A representative for the company went to the courthouse with McGill, who expected to be ordered to pay up to a $1000 fine, Ms Bandoh said.
...Ms Prince added that Waste Management, which operates throughout the US and reported $14billion in revenue in 2014, would coordinate with its employee about his work schedule and jail time.
...Ms Prince added that Waste Management, which operates throughout the US and reported $14billion in revenue in 2014, would coordinate with its employee about his work schedule and jail time.
Waste Management is responsible for the employee's behavior and the company had ALREADY racked up a lot of fines with this city:
Sharon Kraun, a spokesman for Sandy Springs, told Daily Mail Online that McGill's citation stemmed from an incident where his truck had been photographed by a resident.
The city had seen a previous case where a garbage man was given jail time several years ago and that while no similar cases had happened since, the collectors had 'fair warning', Ms Kraun said.
She said that Waste Management, which had amassed thousands of dollars in fines with the municipality in the last year, suspended McGill for violating its policies before he went to court.
Waste Management could not answer questions about McGill's employment history with the company as of Saturday morning and said it was 'currently still investigating all the facts in the case'.
So what is the real story?
You have an employee who either (a) ignored his employer's order to start work at 8:00am (the time the city desired garbage pick-up) or (b) was following his employer's order to start at 5:00 am (a time the city did NOT want their garbage picked up.)
These are the only two logical choices. Either McGill started at 5:00am against his employer's instructions or he started at 5:00 am with their approval.
In the first case, an employee going against his employer's instructions should have been fired or moved to another job (he was not). In the second case, the company was deliberately ignoring the city's noise ordinances. In either case, the company is taking the city's money but not giving them the service they want. The city should break their contract with Waste Management, Inc and find another company.
Now to the court case:
We don't know if McGill was acting against his employer's instructions or on their orders when he broke the city's noise ordinances. However, the fact that MANY noise violations were piling up and Waste Management, Inc, was prepared to pay yet another such violation at $1000 tells me that McGill had some kind of approval from the company to keep doing what he did. In other words, it's not the employee who is breaking the noise ordinance but the COMPANY, Waste Management, Inc.
So why did the garbage man get prison time?
Probably because you can't jail a company.
The garbage man's (ludicrous) punishment seems to be the result of a "privatized" local court system that was insufficient to handle a large recalcitrant corporation. We know from the article that the company was fined again and again by this city, to no avail. The fines had ZERO effect. The corporation seemed to just accept them as the price of doing business.
In other words, the corporation had no intention of changing its pickup time and considered itself above the city government and its laws.
Against this backdrop, the privatized court--lacking any means to get this company to change its ways--lashes out at the employee, the only person who could be jailed. The corporate "person" could not.
It was flagrantly wrong for the court to put the employee in jail for his employer's contempt of their laws and continued violation of them.
However, this case highlights just how difficult it is to hold a private corporation to account. A municipal waste company--under taxpayer control--has to follow the city laws or its employees don't get paid. There is no such leverage with a privatized service.
Remember, THIS Is the goal of the Scott Walkers, the GOP, the Third Way Dems: to privatize everything. This Daily Mail article is a perfect example of why privatizing public services is a BAD idea.
For more information on this town that "privatized everything", see this video:
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So? The privatized court is wrong and the corporation is wrong, yet a person is sitting in jail. n/t
FSogol
Mar 2015
#3
It's not missing the point that the poster wants to talk about the man in jail
CreekDog
Mar 2015
#167
and the other poster wants to talk about the privatization which creates such fucked-up
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#170
why are you asking me? i'm not the one saying it is. i agree with you; money is key.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#126
Simple. There's never been a white garbageman jailed for picking up trash 3 hours early
CreekDog
Mar 2015
#169
Exactly, and the black man is less likely to be able to pay the fine, get out on bail, etc.
NoJusticeNoPeace
Mar 2015
#177
They're going to put a multinational corporation in jail because a garbageman in their little
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#158
I'm just saying I've never heard of "no trash collection before X time" laws before...
Blue_Tires
Mar 2015
#39
It might, in fact, be. When you privatize/outsource everything, cohesion must suffer
Wella
Mar 2015
#64
Who's going to order the police department to do it (& are you sure the police aren't outsourced
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#100
$60K is the median MALE income. Not HOUSEHOLD income. It's WAY higher than the US median.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#103
Ok. Thanks for the real stats. If you have two people working, then the household will have more $$
Wella
Mar 2015
#107
If those Americans simply work harder, they can join yeoman in the 1% in some years
alcibiades_mystery
Mar 2015
#175
Malibu is well off, but there are CA towns and places with median household incomes twice that
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#30
It's 57th. On a list with a lot of very small (<4000 households) municipalities.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#111
Your personal feelings aside, an ordinance was broken and the corporation was at fault
Wella
Mar 2015
#49
Wella has "logic." YOU, on the other hand, have "personal feelings."
alcibiades_mystery
Mar 2015
#176
The worker is not the corporation, lock up the President or the CEO and I bet
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#114
That's median income for a male in the city, and it's more than the US median HOUSEHOLD income.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#93
That's NOT the issue. They have a right to their laws and paid a company that refused to follow them
Wella
Mar 2015
#20
The company IS responsible legally; whether they accept responsibility is a different question
Wella
Mar 2015
#21
No it hasn't. But when a corporation has been fined many, many times for the same employee and the
Wella
Mar 2015
#26
I don't think concerns regarding privatization denies relevant concerns of racism in this instance.
LanternWaste
Mar 2015
#40
The employee was not (ludicrously) jailed because he was black, but because he broke a law, punished
Wella
Mar 2015
#42
I think a more effective solution would be to fine Waste Management $10,000 per day
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#55
No. I took the actual facts of the case and used logic (remember that?) to make few deductions
Wella
Mar 2015
#89
>35% of the city = not white, and its wealthy residents include wealthy black folk like Herman Cain.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#148
Sorry, but Sandy Springs' white, Republican majority voted to segregate itself from Atlanta, Fulton
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#59
Are you trying to be obtuse? "Taxation" is money going to the City of Atlanta, governed
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#83
Solid Republican district, that doesn't want their white money going to anything that helps
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#98
Do you two think there is racism in Ferguson? Minorities are well over 50%, but there is
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#174
Nah, racism is all but gone now that we have a black president who is thought to have
NoJusticeNoPeace
Mar 2015
#178
Only 3% of families and 7.9% of the population is below the poverty line, lower than the rate
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#151
huh? now you've lost me. This city is very well-off compared to most places in Georgia,
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#142
Blacks COMMONLY get harsher sentences than whites for doing same crimes so to start the
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#69
Who was at fault doesn't mean that blacks don't get Harsher sentences... blacks DO get harsher s
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#84
No one ever said that. Most people on DU agree that blacks get harsher sentences in general
Wella
Mar 2015
#136
The people making the positive claim (of racism) must provide the supporting evidence
Wella
Mar 2015
#75
Blacks get harsher sentences than whites for same crime, that's been proven and is statistical fact
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#90
Yes, and older women get into fewer accidents than younger men--also a statistical fact
Wella
Mar 2015
#101
No, America's judicial system in the story and NO DOUBT racism is involved. The statistics don't
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#96
I'm not wanting to be opinionated just factual, if the "case" involves the US penal system then race
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#108
What are you calling the "case" then? The story as a whole or just the complaint about the time of
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#117
The actual facts of the case: the broken sound ordinance laws, the company that kept being fined
Wella
Mar 2015
#124
I'm willing to consider but it cuts REALLY close, it's like the FPD saying we didn't shoot that ...
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#131
according to the city website, each individual household contracts for its own garbage service,
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#171
Not in the face of sentencing statistics, the SENTENCING part of this makes it about race...
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#95
I think you have no way of proving that claim. It amounts to saying "blacks are jailed in higher
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#99
Links inside, Sentencing bias is a well established norm in US penal system
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#105
I don't think you can take the sentencing away from the issue or "case" as a whole, take the
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#112
That it's hard to separate the motives of the judge still makes it about race, if blacks and browns
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#123
True, his name was on the citation but relevant to COMMON course for blacks race isn't
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#162
The CEO of the company? I think you don't get the situation. It's a multinational corporation;
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#153
no, she can legally jail the guy how much they make isn't relevant. If she wanted to send a message
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#160
It's laughable. He wouldn't go to trial, let alone jail. It's a city of 90K and their rent-a-judge.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#165
Blacks get harsher sentences than whites for same crime, that's been proven and is statistical fact
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#161
Yes, racism in this case isn't far fetched. No one should believe and institution that has regularly
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#164