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In reply to the discussion: Iran Responds to GOP Letter: "It has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy" [View all]Enrique
(27,461 posts)20. Bush's OLC calls the mistake "embarrassing"
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/03/the-error-in-the-senators-letter-to-the-leaders-of-iran/
The Error in the Senators Letter to the Leaders of Iran
By Jack Goldsmith
Monday, March 9, 2015 at 5:55 AM
Josh Rogin reports that a group of 47 Republican senators has written an open letter to Irans leaders warning them that any nuclear deal they sign with President Barack Obamas administration wont last after Obama leaves office. Here is the letter. Its premise is that Irans leaders may not fully understand our constitutional system, and in particular may not understand the nature of the power to make binding international agreements. It appears from the letter that the Senators do not understand our constitutional system or the power to make binding agreements.
The letter states that the Senate must ratify [a treaty] by a two-thirds vote. But as the Senates own web page makes clear: The Senate does not ratify treaties. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification (my emphasis). Or, as this outstanding 2001 CRS Report on the Senates role in treaty-making states (at 117): It is the President who negotiates and ultimately ratifies treaties for the United States, but only if the Senate in the intervening period gives its advice and consent. Ratification is the formal act of the nations consent to be bound by the treaty on the international plane. Senate consent is a necessary but not sufficient condition of treaty ratification for the United States. As the CRS Report notes: When a treaty to which the Senate has advised and consented is returned to the President, he may simply decide not to ratify the treaty.
This is a technical point that does not detract from the letters message that any administration deal with Iran might not last beyond this presidency. (I analyzed this point here last year.) But in a letter purporting to teach a constitutional lesson, the error is embarrassing.
The Error in the Senators Letter to the Leaders of Iran
By Jack Goldsmith
Monday, March 9, 2015 at 5:55 AM
Josh Rogin reports that a group of 47 Republican senators has written an open letter to Irans leaders warning them that any nuclear deal they sign with President Barack Obamas administration wont last after Obama leaves office. Here is the letter. Its premise is that Irans leaders may not fully understand our constitutional system, and in particular may not understand the nature of the power to make binding international agreements. It appears from the letter that the Senators do not understand our constitutional system or the power to make binding agreements.
The letter states that the Senate must ratify [a treaty] by a two-thirds vote. But as the Senates own web page makes clear: The Senate does not ratify treaties. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification (my emphasis). Or, as this outstanding 2001 CRS Report on the Senates role in treaty-making states (at 117): It is the President who negotiates and ultimately ratifies treaties for the United States, but only if the Senate in the intervening period gives its advice and consent. Ratification is the formal act of the nations consent to be bound by the treaty on the international plane. Senate consent is a necessary but not sufficient condition of treaty ratification for the United States. As the CRS Report notes: When a treaty to which the Senate has advised and consented is returned to the President, he may simply decide not to ratify the treaty.
This is a technical point that does not detract from the letters message that any administration deal with Iran might not last beyond this presidency. (I analyzed this point here last year.) But in a letter purporting to teach a constitutional lesson, the error is embarrassing.
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Iran Responds to GOP Letter: "It has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy" [View all]
YoungDemCA
Mar 2015
OP
You got that wrong, Bibi is the only ally they have left. Republicans hate the 'Commie', Putin and
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#59
right-wingers out here in the bleacher seats don't 'love putin'. maybe those in government
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#91
Like I said, if we had a real news media, people would know what is going on with
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#81
Yes, he's a commie to them, who is currently part of Obama's 5 nation allies to help stop .
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#92
That's been true at least since Nixon illegally derailed Vietnam war negotiations
villager
Mar 2015
#11
Dr. Zarif is not a theocrat, few in the elected Iranian Parliament are. More theocrats in Congress.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#25
"while no agreement has been reached, some political groups are so afraid even of the prospect..."
pampango
Mar 2015
#13
I don't enjoy the experience of Iran pointing out our foolish disfunction to the world,
Kber
Mar 2015
#16
Sad that even other countries realize the treachery that is the Repug party these days.
lark
Mar 2015
#18
Dear GOP: You are effed when the Iranians know the US Constitution better than you do. nt
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2015
#35
Iran has a history of dealings with the GOP dating back to Reagan, last time they got missles.
gordianot
Mar 2015
#41
Integrity is not related to nationality. The integrity of Iran is now above that of the GOP.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#65
I hope this response is picked up and broadcast across all international media
Number23
Mar 2015
#63
Mahalo YDCA.. another report on what Iranian Foreign Minister, Javad Zarif had to say about it..
Cha
Mar 2015
#67
Whoa, Iranians are wallop Republicans. It really has to be very embarrassing for Republicans!
TRoN33
Mar 2015
#68
Repubs don't know how to be embarrassed. It's the rest of us who are embarrassed by their antics. nt
Hekate
Mar 2015
#69
you are correct. in order to feel embarassed, they would have to possess integrity,
niyad
Mar 2015
#76
Each week, Boehner looks more and more like a fool. The same happened with Romney in that election.
C Moon
Mar 2015
#82