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234. See my response to post 216

Mon Mar 9, 2015, 04:08 PM

Mar 2015

You speak of a drumbeat. But what is the goal of the drumbeat? To force a change in the law so that the FCC can regulate the content of cable networks, something that wouldn't just take a change in the law but a change to the First Amendment? To get Fox to voluntarily change its stripes? What would be their incentive/motivation to do that. To convince people that Fox is BS? The people that watch Fox -- and its not really all that many -- watch Fox because it reinforces what they believe. They aren't going to demand that Fox change its stripes and demands from those of us who don't watch Fox aren't going to influence Fox either.

On the other hand, the petition, asking the FCC to do something it has no authority to do, makes us look foolish for not knowing the law and for taking a position that seems at odds with traditional progressive notions of the First Amendment. For a selection of statements reflecting the traditional notion of the First Amendment, see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6335637

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Petition Against Fox: Removal of the Broadcasting license issued by the FCC [View all] babylonsister Mar 2015 OP

Kick & Rec elias49 Mar 2015 #1

Signed too classykaren Mar 2015 #23

K&R - If getting pulled off the air was good for Brian Williams 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #2

Did NBC lose its licenses? onenote Mar 2015 #5

They should not be allowed to use the word 'news', ever. They are a propaganda/entertainment sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #9

Or 'journalism'. louis-t Mar 2015 #12

Lol, the only thing I would add to that is 'if we get things wrong we go to court to sue for the sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #15

NBC isn't intentionally lying to the American public 24/7. <- FOX is. 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #26

As pointed out numerous times, the FCC doesn't license Fox News. onenote Mar 2015 #27

to you, perhaps. hopemountain Mar 2015 #38

And sending it to the FCC asking to revoke SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #43

it symbolizes not condoning hopemountain Mar 2015 #46

I answered that question already in this thread SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #49

.... hopemountain Mar 2015 #51

We'll have to agree to disagree SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #58

It seems willful ignorance is OK dumbcat Mar 2015 #95

Yep n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #97

I agree. It's just the sort of thing we mock when Rs do it, and rightly so. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2015 #160

But it's not "truth" that you're standing on. It's wishful thinking. WillowTree Mar 2015 #99

Arent you spreading false information Travis_0004 Mar 2015 #100

a what? never heard of one of hopemountain Mar 2015 #117

Wow, going after typos... SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #122

no desperation, here hopemountain Mar 2015 #124

It's not a valid platform mythology Mar 2015 #121

And all the FCC will do with the petition is circular file it in the trash bin. GGJohn Mar 2015 #76

No, veterans caught Williams. former9thward Mar 2015 #55

Meanwhile FOX mocks the very idea of 'truth' or 'news' 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #158

I was replying to the lies about NBC. former9thward Mar 2015 #190

I think they need to remove "News" from their name. It's not news. Warpy Mar 2015 #111

precisely - in a loss of self control last week, edgineered Mar 2015 #123

Signed. Does this even have a bit of a chance? One can hope. libdem4life Mar 2015 #3

No, the FCC has no authority over cable broadcast. GGJohn Mar 2015 #78

Fox News is a cable channel and is not licensed by the FCC onenote Mar 2015 #4

The FCC doesn't license cable television channels. PSPS Mar 2015 #6

Does the FCC have jurisdiction over cable channels? BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #7

The FCC has zero jurisdiction over Fox News Channel n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #8

Exactly Correct. Liberal In Texas Mar 2015 #25

Was searching for the last time a license was pulled BumRushDaShow Mar 2015 #10

The FCC subsequently dismissed CREW's petition to deny Fox's broadcast licenses onenote Mar 2015 #14

Yup. nt BumRushDaShow Mar 2015 #18

"does and willfully distort the news"? "it's citizens"? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #11

Had to chuckle at how malice aforethought became "malice and forethought" pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #17

LOL. Missed that part (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #39

We should also get the DEA to revoke their liquor license fishwax Mar 2015 #13

Now *that's* really funny!! WillowTree Mar 2015 #45

UNREC brooklynite Mar 2015 #16

UNREC your post for discouraging any action against Fox. Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #69

What action? GGJohn Mar 2015 #79

I agree with those who are pointing out the embarrassing Foxlike nature of asking the FCC to Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2015 #163

They broadcast their "news" all over the country on our radio waves RandiFan1290 Mar 2015 #19

The licenses in question, then, would be Clear Channel's, right? fishwax Mar 2015 #20

The onus would be on the individual stations. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2015 #21

So pointing out facts makes one a rw troll? nxylas Mar 2015 #59

nothing wrong with trusting a gut instinct hopemountain Mar 2015 #62

Can you be more specific? nxylas Mar 2015 #94

Pretty funny, huh? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #77

K&R RandiFan1290 Mar 2015 #81

If "all the right people" are pissed off by facts SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #85

It looks to me like you're one pintobean Mar 2015 #192

That happens far too often on DU Demeter Mar 2015 #215

Signed! calimary Mar 2015 #22

If "do something" SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #29

The whole over-arching point here is to add to the drumbeat. calimary Mar 2015 #216

Beat the drums all you like, NuclearDem Mar 2015 #226

Then why aren't you asking the FAA to revoke their aircraft license? jberryhill Mar 2015 #228

Sigh... okay, fine. Do nothing. And miss the point. It is your right. calimary Mar 2015 #230

Revoking their FAA license would be another drumbeat, no? jberryhill Mar 2015 #236

Drumbeat to do what exactly? onenote Mar 2015 #232

+1000 mountain grammy Mar 2015 #31

Love your comment! Duval Mar 2015 #33

Being a cable channel SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #34

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #217

Fox News isn't licensed period. onenote Mar 2015 #37

so, your intent is to discourage others hopemountain Mar 2015 #41

I can't speak for onenote but I can answer for myself SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #47

standing for truth does not reflect ignorance. hopemountain Mar 2015 #57

Standing for truth is a good and noble endeavor SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #61

yet, your intent is to discourage by demeaning hopemountain Mar 2015 #64

Like I said, we'll agree to disagree SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #68

They really don't like being caught dumbcat Mar 2015 #98

don't flatter yourself. hopemountain Mar 2015 #116

Ashamed? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #120

This isn't action. It's as useful as spitting into the wind. WillowTree Mar 2015 #70

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #219

Apparently there's some part of "they have no authority" that escapes you. WillowTree Mar 2015 #227

You don't find it a little...unproductive...and maybe silly pipoman Mar 2015 #107

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #220

But you aren't standing for truth mythology Mar 2015 #129

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #218

See my response to post 216 onenote Mar 2015 #234

They're not licensed, they broadcast on cable, FCC has no authority over cable. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #82

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #221

yes, a pile on! and still a platform. hopemountain Mar 2015 #40

Myself, I am going to paint a really cool protest sign FrodosPet Mar 2015 #150

LOL. GGJohn Mar 2015 #152

Aww, why do you have to be so negative, man? nxylas Mar 2015 #195

Now HERE'S some Gandhi mocking! FrodosPet Mar 2015 #211

that would be great except Cryptoad Mar 2015 #24

that's why i am signing. hopemountain Mar 2015 #44

I had rather see one against MSNBC Cryptoad Mar 2015 #63

What does "unreasonable searches and seizures" have to do with it? WillowTree Mar 2015 #60

I didn't say anything about "unreasonable searches and seizures" Cryptoad Mar 2015 #66

Try reading the 4th amendment and get back to us. WillowTree Mar 2015 #71

I think you meant the 1st Amendment, not the 4th Amendment. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #86

typo... my bad... sorry Cryptoad Mar 2015 #87

Except none of that is accurate. The case people cite was against a Fox broadcast affiliate, not Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #164

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #222

I'M IN! Joe Johns Mar 2015 #28

I signed and don't care that it probably won't happen.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #30

Signed this a while back. nt Duval Mar 2015 #32

Whenever Faux has to defend itself legally they deny being a news outlet. lpbk2713 Mar 2015 #35

When has that happened? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #36

You sure you're not thinking of the WWE? Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #207

I doubt Fox News has ever claimed it was an "entertainment" outlet onenote Mar 2015 #214

yes, because they are owned hopemountain Mar 2015 #251

Marta & I signed Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #42

K&R & Signed nt LiberalElite Mar 2015 #48

signed hopemountain Mar 2015 #50

Done, and done n/t Roy Rolling Mar 2015 #52

What "Broadcasting license issued by the FCC"? There is no such license. WillowTree Mar 2015 #53

No doubt! n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #65

I just googled this; seems there babylonsister Mar 2015 #67

So lots of people don't know that the FCC has no authority over nor does it license cable channels. WillowTree Mar 2015 #73

So tell that to the FCC... babylonsister Mar 2015 #80

You do realize that the page you linked to is for broadcast channels, right? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #84

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #223

That's for broadcast channels, Fox broadcasts on Cable, GGJohn Mar 2015 #88

If you refuse to acknowledge the difference....... WillowTree Mar 2015 #89

A bunch of links to people asking that a broadcasting license be revoked SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #75

They do have to have varies licenses though to operate inside the US. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #127

The cable companies do SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #128

Yes, I know but I will point out alot of those companies are based in the US and those cstanleytech Mar 2015 #141

What law(s) do you think FNC is breaking in their programming? WillowTree Mar 2015 #143

I know another annoying thing cstanleytech Mar 2015 #145

Ah.......dodging the pertinent question. Like no one would notice. WillowTree Mar 2015 #147

No, dodge. Answer is nothing illegal but you already knew that cstanleytech Mar 2015 #149

Doesn't regulate them, either. WillowTree Mar 2015 #135

They do but not in the manner many of us want them to. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #138

I think the majority of Americans don't want the FCC to have regulatory powers GGJohn Mar 2015 #139

I disagree that its fine as it is right now. Look at how cable and other communication cstanleytech Mar 2015 #142

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #144

Wait, does this actually mean you are ok with the CEO for AT&T threatening the FCC? cstanleytech Mar 2015 #148

Didn't say I was ok with that, GGJohn Mar 2015 #151

Well then to update you AT&T has a service they have been slowly deploying cstanleytech Mar 2015 #154

I signed. Kath1 Mar 2015 #54

Signed Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #56

Signed! ThingsGottaChange Mar 2015 #72

Fox News that is on cable is not a broadcast. They may hold a license for the LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #74

While particular shows such as Fox News are cable, they still have broadcast channels. mmonk Mar 2015 #202

Fox News is not a "show" dumbcat Mar 2015 #210

Maybe the FDA will allow them, instead of news, to use the word "wholesome." C Moon Mar 2015 #83

But "wholesomeness" is! FrodosPet Mar 2015 #181

:D ...so true! Thanks! C Moon Mar 2015 #182

K....R...Signed....Shared.....Tweeted....etc... n/t Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #90

I realize that the FCC probably cant touch them because they are on cable but what about going after cstanleytech Mar 2015 #91

I don't believe they do, but even if they did, GGJohn Mar 2015 #92

Not exactly an apt comparison as Ford clearly could not know a that a specific cstanleytech Mar 2015 #96

No the FCC doesn't license cable companies. onenote Mar 2015 #184

the FCC doesnt regulate cable Travis_0004 Mar 2015 #104

Tell that to the FCC cstanleytech Mar 2015 #108

They have some, pretty limited authority over cable *companies*, not the cable channels. WillowTree Mar 2015 #114

They are not preventing the cable companies from speaking though thus its not censorship. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #125

True, but what is Fox doing that's illegal? eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #130

Well if we ignore the wiretapping over in the UK...............nothing offhand however cstanleytech Mar 2015 #134

Well, according to the courts, GGJohn Mar 2015 #137

Right now? Pretty much nothing. They could try to do something of course but cstanleytech Mar 2015 #161

Two things here. WillowTree Mar 2015 #133

I am merely pointing out that its one way the FCC could try to do it cstanleytech Mar 2015 #159

See post #184 onenote Mar 2015 #185

This one time I wish Fux lies about "voter fraud' was true.. ProudProg2u Mar 2015 #93

Maybe we can sign a petition asking the EPA to declare Fox News toxic sludge or something. tritsofme Mar 2015 #101

+1000 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #102

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #103

I wish this would work. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #105

Yeah, especially since the FCC doesn't regulate cable SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #106

They do regulate the cable companies a bit but they dont regulate the channels. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #109

Very true - thank you for the correction! n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #113

Signed and shared. marble falls Mar 2015 #110

We should also petition Kanye West, FAFSA, and the NCAA. Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #112

I don't petition against 840high Mar 2015 #115

Thank you!!! FrodosPet Mar 2015 #153

I could definitely get behind a campaign to save jaysunb Mar 2015 #118

Somebody tell me again how we are the smart party. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #119

"We feel that Fox News does and willfully distort the news" RiverLover Mar 2015 #132

To be fair, the competition doesn't believe in evolution, climate change mythology Mar 2015 #136

This is ammo for Faux News followers FrodosPet Mar 2015 #172

I think arguing over who is the least stupid... Oktober Mar 2015 #193

I can't believe all the rec's to this OP. 840high Mar 2015 #157

signed & recommended Zorra Mar 2015 #126

Recommended for what? GGJohn Mar 2015 #131

This petition is to take Fox's Broadcast licenses away, not their cable show(s). nt Zorra Mar 2015 #155

Did you actually click on the link and read the petition? WillowTree Mar 2015 #156

Fox News doesn't have a broadcast license, they broadcast on cable, GGJohn Mar 2015 #165

Yeah Thespian2 Mar 2015 #140

When it's not just MALICE. Not just FORETHOUGHT. But Malice AND Forethought. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #162

How can the FCC take away something that doesn't exist? GGJohn Mar 2015 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #170

So, you're in favor of shutting down Fox because you don't like them? GGJohn Mar 2015 #173

So Nazi propaganda was okay with you? yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #175

No, and I never once said Fox was ok with me, GGJohn Mar 2015 #176

Yes we have free speech in this country yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #177

So your solution would be to shut down opposition networks? GGJohn Mar 2015 #178

No how about this.. yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #179

But maybe other people will be deciding what is "bullshit and lies". Throd Mar 2015 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #191

I think GummyBearz Mar 2015 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #197

Would you sign a petition to have the government regulate the content of websites onenote Mar 2015 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #199

Since you'll have some free time, onenote Mar 2015 #200

They'd love it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #203

Stupid waste of time tammywammy Mar 2015 #167

It makes the signers feel good dumbcat Mar 2015 #171

This is gibberish, there is no such thing as a broadcast license in cable TV because it does not, Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #168

We deceive you blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #169

Kicking this to the GREATEST page. Hutzpa Mar 2015 #174

Thanks for making us look like idiots. Calista241 Mar 2015 #180

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #224

I signed it, But .... Grassy Knoll Mar 2015 #186

Bad Idea - Hate Fox, hate censorship more relayerbob Mar 2015 #187

Couldn't agree pipi_k Mar 2015 #254

It annoys me when the Internet is used to spread misinformation onenote Mar 2015 #188

Too bad we can't bring back the Fairness Doctrine. nt cyberswede Mar 2015 #189

Now that's a petition I'd sign nxylas Mar 2015 #196

Done. mmonk Mar 2015 #201

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #204

Pox propaganda makes The Wizard Mar 2015 #205

kick 1million times samsingh Mar 2015 #206

First amendment, folks Marrah_G Mar 2015 #208

The First Amendment doesn't apply to hate speech... Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #212

The only one you got right was the Nickelback albums jberryhill Mar 2015 #241

There's a sentence you don't hear often. Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #246

Signed GoneOffShore Mar 2015 #209

Broadcast licenses are issued by the FCC to allocate use of the radio frequency spectrum. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #213

See my post 216, above. calimary Mar 2015 #225

Petition won't accept my signature 2naSalit Mar 2015 #229

try again. hopemountain Mar 2015 #250

Thanks, it worked this time. 2naSalit Mar 2015 #252

Signed! Faux pas Mar 2015 #231

This message was self-deleted by its author lark Mar 2015 #233

Wrong on all counts SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #235

The Iranian Foreign Minister dropped us a note. He says "the FCC doesn't license cable channels." Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2015 #237

*SNORT* pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #239

Thanks. Have to admit I kinda tickled myself with that one, too. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2015 #249

Thank you Calimary and Hope Mountain who stood with your posts. I confess to be one of the libdem4life Mar 2015 #238

"See my post 216" posted 10 times, but no response to a request to explain onenote Mar 2015 #240

Yeah? Explanations are good, as a professional educator, I'm missing Your Point. libdem4life Mar 2015 #242

I don't think anyone is defending Fox News onenote Mar 2015 #243

I get that ... but I did not know that until this thread. So, we all learn. That's why I come here libdem4life Mar 2015 #248

And it won't pipi_k Mar 2015 #253

I'm guessing it will take 138,628,021 mosquitoes to suck this elephant dry Sheepshank Mar 2015 #244

Nah. Just 24 business hours. onenote Mar 2015 #247

Today is the anniversary of NY Times v Sullivan onenote Mar 2015 #245