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191. Jesus spoke in parables to confuse people.

Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:43 PM

Mar 2015

Mark 4:11-13 (King James version)

11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

I would take the example from Matthew literally. It sounds ridiculous, but it seems that God or Jesus is not being clear, and is wanting to confuse people. Why would you want to mislead uneducated, unscientific, nomadic Bronze Age people with little capacity for abstract thinking such as metaphors and parables?

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I need help figuring something out. If I am a Christian, do I want my fellow humans to have [View all] NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 OP

Nothing these radical whacky-Christians practice is Christian-like. Nothing. Therefore, BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #1

What you said. shraby Mar 2015 #2

No True Scotsman fallacy F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #4

Hell, the 'warping' of Christian teachings... Wounded Bear Mar 2015 #8

I'm glad to see Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #77

Much like those called anything but Democrats by other Democrats... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #11

Christianity was formed through the Disciples' writings after Jesus' death. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #20

Agree 100% Mc Mike Mar 2015 #95

Thanks, Mc Mike. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #99

Fundies never want to use the brain that the good lord gave them. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #132

No need to apologize for such an insightful and informative post, Mc Mike. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #133

A lot of times, when I hear someone mouthing off about how they're Christian, Mc Mike Mar 2015 #135

Christ was busy condemning people to hell a LOT of the time. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #115

You and I must be reading different versions of the bible - or you misunderstand the message. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #125

This is just the New Testament. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #127

Nice copy and paste. What site did you get these misinterpretations from? BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #128

Tell me what context you're talking about. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #129

It's been explained to you before okasha Mar 2015 #143

Those are not paraphrases. Those are actual quotes. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #144

Because it doesn't include enough surrounding text to expand and weaken the meaning and allow AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #146

Somebody please explain. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #152

Is there any one (or a few) in particular you'd like to focus on? That's a pretty long list. nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #154

Yes it is a very long list. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #165

So you aren't interested in understanding how a Christian might interpret them? el_bryanto Mar 2015 #166

Yes, I am interested. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #167

Let's start with Matthew 5:29-30 el_bryanto Mar 2015 #174

Jesus spoke in parables to confuse people. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #191

So you quote scriptures in which Christ talks about talking in parables el_bryanto Mar 2015 #195

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #158

Try looking up those verses in your own bible if you think they're somehow out of context. Warpy Mar 2015 #131

Ha ha! Oh, that is rich. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #137

I'm waiting for a reply myself, Arugula. nt Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #140

Where do you get your authority EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #124

Why do you care? BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #126

But you're not talking about your faith EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #130

I'm still waiting for an answer EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #142

Shunning is not a fallacy. stone space Mar 2015 #42

There's nothing about being a Christian that inoculates one from being an asshole Major Nikon Mar 2015 #61

And even then, the deathbed conversion is the ultimate hifiguy Mar 2015 #69

You mean to tell me... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #71

Well said. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #78

There is no objective phil89 Mar 2015 #15

There is only ONE objective: do as Christ did. That's all. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #21

No. PassingFair Mar 2015 #36

James 2:17 ~ " In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #38

"I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies PassingFair Mar 2015 #39

The original comment was, "there is not objective standard for being a Christian". Not true. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #43

Glad you're around for the final word on what a Christian is. PassingFair Mar 2015 #49

belief and WDIM Mar 2015 #40

Easily....you are all so "flawed". PassingFair Mar 2015 #41

The so-called "atheist" Craig Hicks had a religion, and he wore his God on his hip. stone space Mar 2015 #44

He was a self avowed atheist. PassingFair Mar 2015 #45

Shunning is not a fallacy. stone space Mar 2015 #48

Atheists can be just as stupid as Faithiests. PassingFair Mar 2015 #50

Keep the faith. stone space Mar 2015 #81

Yawwwwn AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #148

So anyone who hasn't submitted to being crucified to redeem sinners skepticscott Mar 2015 #96

What a ridiculous post, and not worthy of a serious response. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #98

I'll repeat the exchange above, for those interested in rationality skepticscott Mar 2015 #109

Your post is supposed to be rational?? Oh lord have mercy! BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #111

Sheesh. Seriously? skepticscott Mar 2015 #119

Don't forget 'pop back up out of the grave after 3 days'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #149

Says you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #147

These anti-Christ people are also ones running Christian schools. Trillo Mar 2015 #32

I agree 100%. There has to be a separation of church and State on all levels. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #35

There are church run food banks that do not ChazII Mar 2015 #101

Says you. Your interpretation of what jesus (allegedy) taught is no more accurate cleanhippie Mar 2015 #139

There are Christians� and there are real Christians meow2u3 Mar 2015 #3

No True Scotsman fallacy F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #6

Fallacy, schmallacy meow2u3 Mar 2015 #12

It's not only fun, it's necessary. Because of their actions, and because they claim to be BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #24

I've met real Christians, and they are beautiful human beings. Maedhros Mar 2015 #176

I can tell you what Ive been told by the christian right WDIM Mar 2015 #5

Churches could not handle the problems during the Great Depression and were extremely glad to jwirr Mar 2015 #13

+100. and i've seen in my own community that the fundies are eager to castigate government ND-Dem Mar 2015 #22

that is a good point. WDIM Mar 2015 #37

The local Christian food bank in my neighborhood... malokvale77 Mar 2015 #73

Yes, our food shelf does not have enough to go around and we are in a reasonably well to do jwirr Mar 2015 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author flobee1 Mar 2015 #17

that sounds familiar..... flobee1 Mar 2015 #19

Almost all churches would have agreed that you would want everyone to have food, shelter and jwirr Mar 2015 #7

Falwell was one ugly man, to be sure. He alone can take much of the credit for the hate they NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #9

I would say it's more 50/50 with Pat Robertson. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #108

Funny, but I heard the same kind of twisted logic back in 2008-9... Wounded Bear Mar 2015 #10

No girl scout cookies either kydo Mar 2015 #14

This abortion derangement syndrome is causing people with limited brain cells to NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #16

yep. kydo Mar 2015 #60

Here is the plain truth: YarnAddict Mar 2015 #18

And if charity falls short? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #25

The question is about what YarnAddict Mar 2015 #29

"Charity" with strings attached = the "noble" wealthy providing to the "deserving" poor. RadiationTherapy Mar 2015 #117

Maybe try doing your own research on the question using the source documents? Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #23

It's really not that difficult sarisataka Mar 2015 #26

Those who take joy in depriving others of livelihoods, food, shelter and healthcare... Orsino Mar 2015 #27

Luke 10:25-37. Brigid Mar 2015 #28

The Samaritan YarnAddict Mar 2015 #31

How are posts with religion as the subject JimDandy Mar 2015 #30

Not allowed? My bad, wont do it again. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #34

This is like asking which is the real Christian.........Pat Robertson or Mother Theresa? leftofcool Mar 2015 #33

Mother Theresa was a scam artist on a huge scale. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #51

She thought suffering was redemptive... Mariana Mar 2015 #66

RELEVANT VIDEO Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #82

the "christian" right hypocrisy WDIM Mar 2015 #46

they use religion. i see few of them practicing their faith. spanone Mar 2015 #47

Matthew 25:6-11 Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #52

Do you want the government to provide food, shelter, and healthcare? trotsky Mar 2015 #53

Charity wont do it, wont come anywhere close, if it is up to charity alone NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #55

I agree with you, but others don't. trotsky Mar 2015 #57

Listening to Michelangelo Signorile right now on Sirius Radio, liberal talk show host NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #59

Yup, ignorance is the root of the problem. trotsky Mar 2015 #62

A perfect recipe for disaster. azmom Mar 2015 #105

He's probably right -- if we slashed the ever-lovin' crap out of the military budget Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #63

The government can still distribute funds far more effectively than any charity. trotsky Mar 2015 #65

Totally agree. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #88

AMEN! oops, sorry that just slipped out.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #120

Anyone with half a brain knows exactly what the ultra-rich hifiguy Mar 2015 #72

Ask them what they think of Deuteronomy 15 Revanchist Mar 2015 #54

The fakers on the right calling themselves Christians onecaliberal Mar 2015 #56

Please see my post No. 52 Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #58

The greatest of these is love. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #74

You have not negated what I quoted. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #75

Where did I say I believe it is all true? onecaliberal Mar 2015 #86

It is in YOUR bible, that you say is your guide to life. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #89

First, I don't have a bible. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #92

You're quoting it which means you are familiar with it. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #93

I doubt it's something Jesus would have done skepticscott Mar 2015 #97

You're using a logical fallacy. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #114

No, just being sarcastic skepticscott Mar 2015 #118

They are insincere as usual treestar Mar 2015 #64

Republican Jebus has the answer. hifiguy Mar 2015 #67

Love It, thank YOU NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #68

Assuming for the sake of argument that there was an actual hifiguy Mar 2015 #70

You want YOUR family and friends to have food, shelter and healthcare DawgHouse Mar 2015 #76

Nobody knows what the philosopher/guru Jesus said anyway. Albertoo Mar 2015 #80

Yes. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #83

You present as a liberal or progressive? cordelia Mar 2015 #100

Excuse me? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #113

Good answer to a ridiculous assertion. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #122

Thank you. nt Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #141

If you are a Republican Christian, you don't give a damn. Nothing more to say nt adigal Mar 2015 #84

Do you want a theocracy? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #85

That question is completely out of left field, has nothing to do with anything. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #90

I not sure you know what projection means but, no, my question isn't from left field. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #91

Jesus was a liberal. Christian conservatives are DirkGently Mar 2015 #87

A liberal in what context, if he existed, he was a 1st century Jewish preacher... Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #94

Relevant quote trotsky Mar 2015 #103

Authoritarianism vs. Empathy. DirkGently Mar 2015 #107

You illustrate my point about selective reading, look at this Bible quote: Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #110

Well no. That's not the threat of "Hell" you mentioned. DirkGently Mar 2015 #112

Hateful stuff is in the New Testament too, FYI. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #116

Agreed the Bible is a mess. Not the point though. DirkGently Mar 2015 #123

But the hateful stuff is ALSO in the New Testament, which they ignore. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #134

There are many different answers to that question el_bryanto Mar 2015 #102

Oh that's easy. Turbineguy Mar 2015 #104

It depends on how you interpret the Bible and how you interpret Jamastiene Mar 2015 #106

The 'interpretation' scheme shows the books don't mean much. Albertoo Mar 2015 #121

Whatever floats your boat... Jamastiene Mar 2015 #136

Amen to that. Albertoo Mar 2015 #145

If you think one need be a Christian to want fellow humans to have basic neccesities... cleanhippie Mar 2015 #138

Matt 7:21 workinclasszero Mar 2015 #150

I'm surprised this thread is still going really; particularly since it seems to be made up mostly of el_bryanto Mar 2015 #151

I had forgotten about it, one person responded today, then YOU did. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #153

That may not have been your intent- but that's clearly where it has gone el_bryanto Mar 2015 #155

They worship the "Eye for an eye" guy. DirkGently Mar 2015 #156

The Jesus I learned about would be horrified by TeaParTY and repubs. I say that sincerely NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #157

Jesus did not deal with tax dollars former9thward Mar 2015 #159

Nonsense NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #160

Humorous that you are trying to speak for someone you say didn't exist. former9thward Mar 2015 #161

I asked you if you are asserting that if Jesus EXISTED NOW he would say no government help NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #162

Unlike some, I don't try and predict what historical figures former9thward Mar 2015 #163

THen why did you insert yourself into the conversation with this NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #164

Sure he did. Skidmore Mar 2015 #169

Well that is one way of looking at it. former9thward Mar 2015 #181

Always seem to be finding fault with liberal arguments CreekDog Mar 2015 #182

No, poorly made arguments. former9thward Mar 2015 #185

Christ did encourage compassion for the poor el_bryanto Mar 2015 #189

I agree to the extent we should not pick and choose quotes from the Bible. former9thward Mar 2015 #192

What do you think of the poor? nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #196

Could there be a more broad question? former9thward Mar 2015 #197

You want them to have and to be treated as you Skidmore Mar 2015 #168

I.E. if I was hungry I wouldnt want someone saying "the government shouldnt do it and I dont feel NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #171

How would you want to be treated in those circumstances? Skidmore Mar 2015 #175

Yes, we are agreeing I hope you know NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #177

It shouldn't be difficult to figure out there isn't just one approach to Christianity BainsBane Mar 2015 #170

It is not an "approach" to Christianity to do the opposite of what Jesus said to do NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #172

While I certainly disagree with the right politically BainsBane Mar 2015 #173

I started it in the wrong forum, if i could move it i would, i cant. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #178

The Prosperity Doctrine was invented to take care of the cognitive dissonance Maedhros Mar 2015 #179

Yes....FORUM BOSSES, can you move this to religion? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #180

DU3 can't move stuff. It can only be locked, and a new thread started over there. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #183

It was dead until someone suggested that it is a logical conclusion that Jesus might NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #184

What's the number of the post you are referencing? nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #186

159 NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #187

Post 181 doesn't seem to be suggesting that, but I'll let that poster speak for him or herself. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #193

My position is the Jesus of the New Testament would have welcomed any and all NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #194

All I know is that it is said he would give you the shirt off his back if you had none. Rex Mar 2015 #188

He probably wore the same shirt, unwashed, for weeks...no thanks LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #190