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195. So you quote scriptures in which Christ talks about talking in parables

Reply to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #191)

Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:42 PM

Mar 2015

and explains why he does so, and then from that extrapolate that he didn't talk in metaphor but literally intended his followers to mutilate themselves. I don't really follow your logic there. I suppose there are two tacks we might take.

1. Why does Christ seem to be arguing for deceiving people? There's a discussion to be had here, but it's somewhat involved.

2. Why do you believe that the only way to read this scripture (the original one) is by calling for self-mutilation? I don't know if individual believers may have engaged in this, but I don't believe it's been common practice - it certainly isn't today.

I am unclear on something - do you believe that Christ was a historical figure or no? Many non-believers deny that he even existed. I don't want to dive into that whole debate necessarily, but that will give more of a clear framework from which to respond to your post.

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I need help figuring something out. If I am a Christian, do I want my fellow humans to have [View all] NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 OP

Nothing these radical whacky-Christians practice is Christian-like. Nothing. Therefore, BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #1

What you said. shraby Mar 2015 #2

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Agree 100% Mc Mike Mar 2015 #95

Thanks, Mc Mike. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #99

Fundies never want to use the brain that the good lord gave them. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #132

No need to apologize for such an insightful and informative post, Mc Mike. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #133

A lot of times, when I hear someone mouthing off about how they're Christian, Mc Mike Mar 2015 #135

Christ was busy condemning people to hell a LOT of the time. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #115

You and I must be reading different versions of the bible - or you misunderstand the message. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #125

This is just the New Testament. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #127

Nice copy and paste. What site did you get these misinterpretations from? BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #128

Tell me what context you're talking about. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #129

It's been explained to you before okasha Mar 2015 #143

Those are not paraphrases. Those are actual quotes. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #144

Because it doesn't include enough surrounding text to expand and weaken the meaning and allow AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #146

Somebody please explain. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #152

Is there any one (or a few) in particular you'd like to focus on? That's a pretty long list. nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #154

Yes it is a very long list. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #165

So you aren't interested in understanding how a Christian might interpret them? el_bryanto Mar 2015 #166

Yes, I am interested. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #167

Let's start with Matthew 5:29-30 el_bryanto Mar 2015 #174

Jesus spoke in parables to confuse people. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #191

So you quote scriptures in which Christ talks about talking in parables el_bryanto Mar 2015 #195

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #158

Try looking up those verses in your own bible if you think they're somehow out of context. Warpy Mar 2015 #131

Ha ha! Oh, that is rich. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #137

I'm waiting for a reply myself, Arugula. nt Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #140

Where do you get your authority EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #124

Why do you care? BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #126

But you're not talking about your faith EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #130

I'm still waiting for an answer EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #142

Shunning is not a fallacy. stone space Mar 2015 #42

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You mean to tell me... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #71

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There is no objective phil89 Mar 2015 #15

There is only ONE objective: do as Christ did. That's all. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #21

No. PassingFair Mar 2015 #36

James 2:17 ~ " In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #38

"I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies PassingFair Mar 2015 #39

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Glad you're around for the final word on what a Christian is. PassingFair Mar 2015 #49

belief and WDIM Mar 2015 #40

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He was a self avowed atheist. PassingFair Mar 2015 #45

Shunning is not a fallacy. stone space Mar 2015 #48

Atheists can be just as stupid as Faithiests. PassingFair Mar 2015 #50

Keep the faith. stone space Mar 2015 #81

Yawwwwn AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #148

So anyone who hasn't submitted to being crucified to redeem sinners skepticscott Mar 2015 #96

What a ridiculous post, and not worthy of a serious response. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #98

I'll repeat the exchange above, for those interested in rationality skepticscott Mar 2015 #109

Your post is supposed to be rational?? Oh lord have mercy! BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #111

Sheesh. Seriously? skepticscott Mar 2015 #119

Don't forget 'pop back up out of the grave after 3 days'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #149

Says you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #147

These anti-Christ people are also ones running Christian schools. Trillo Mar 2015 #32

I agree 100%. There has to be a separation of church and State on all levels. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #35

There are church run food banks that do not ChazII Mar 2015 #101

Says you. Your interpretation of what jesus (allegedy) taught is no more accurate cleanhippie Mar 2015 #139

There are Christians� and there are real Christians meow2u3 Mar 2015 #3

No True Scotsman fallacy F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #6

Fallacy, schmallacy meow2u3 Mar 2015 #12

It's not only fun, it's necessary. Because of their actions, and because they claim to be BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #24

I've met real Christians, and they are beautiful human beings. Maedhros Mar 2015 #176

I can tell you what Ive been told by the christian right WDIM Mar 2015 #5

Churches could not handle the problems during the Great Depression and were extremely glad to jwirr Mar 2015 #13

+100. and i've seen in my own community that the fundies are eager to castigate government ND-Dem Mar 2015 #22

that is a good point. WDIM Mar 2015 #37

The local Christian food bank in my neighborhood... malokvale77 Mar 2015 #73

Yes, our food shelf does not have enough to go around and we are in a reasonably well to do jwirr Mar 2015 #79

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that sounds familiar..... flobee1 Mar 2015 #19

Almost all churches would have agreed that you would want everyone to have food, shelter and jwirr Mar 2015 #7

Falwell was one ugly man, to be sure. He alone can take much of the credit for the hate they NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #9

I would say it's more 50/50 with Pat Robertson. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #108

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yep. kydo Mar 2015 #60

Here is the plain truth: YarnAddict Mar 2015 #18

And if charity falls short? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #25

The question is about what YarnAddict Mar 2015 #29

"Charity" with strings attached = the "noble" wealthy providing to the "deserving" poor. RadiationTherapy Mar 2015 #117

Maybe try doing your own research on the question using the source documents? Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #23

It's really not that difficult sarisataka Mar 2015 #26

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Luke 10:25-37. Brigid Mar 2015 #28

The Samaritan YarnAddict Mar 2015 #31

How are posts with religion as the subject JimDandy Mar 2015 #30

Not allowed? My bad, wont do it again. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #34

This is like asking which is the real Christian.........Pat Robertson or Mother Theresa? leftofcool Mar 2015 #33

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the "christian" right hypocrisy WDIM Mar 2015 #46

they use religion. i see few of them practicing their faith. spanone Mar 2015 #47

Matthew 25:6-11 Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #52

Do you want the government to provide food, shelter, and healthcare? trotsky Mar 2015 #53

Charity wont do it, wont come anywhere close, if it is up to charity alone NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #55

I agree with you, but others don't. trotsky Mar 2015 #57

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Yup, ignorance is the root of the problem. trotsky Mar 2015 #62

A perfect recipe for disaster. azmom Mar 2015 #105

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The government can still distribute funds far more effectively than any charity. trotsky Mar 2015 #65

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AMEN! oops, sorry that just slipped out.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #120

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Please see my post No. 52 Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #58

The greatest of these is love. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #74

You have not negated what I quoted. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #75

Where did I say I believe it is all true? onecaliberal Mar 2015 #86

It is in YOUR bible, that you say is your guide to life. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #89

First, I don't have a bible. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #92

You're quoting it which means you are familiar with it. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #93

I doubt it's something Jesus would have done skepticscott Mar 2015 #97

You're using a logical fallacy. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #114

No, just being sarcastic skepticscott Mar 2015 #118

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Republican Jebus has the answer. hifiguy Mar 2015 #67

Love It, thank YOU NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #68

Assuming for the sake of argument that there was an actual hifiguy Mar 2015 #70

You want YOUR family and friends to have food, shelter and healthcare DawgHouse Mar 2015 #76

Nobody knows what the philosopher/guru Jesus said anyway. Albertoo Mar 2015 #80

Yes. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #83

You present as a liberal or progressive? cordelia Mar 2015 #100

Excuse me? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #113

Good answer to a ridiculous assertion. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #122

Thank you. nt Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #141

If you are a Republican Christian, you don't give a damn. Nothing more to say nt adigal Mar 2015 #84

Do you want a theocracy? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #85

That question is completely out of left field, has nothing to do with anything. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #90

I not sure you know what projection means but, no, my question isn't from left field. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #91

Jesus was a liberal. Christian conservatives are DirkGently Mar 2015 #87

A liberal in what context, if he existed, he was a 1st century Jewish preacher... Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #94

Relevant quote trotsky Mar 2015 #103

Authoritarianism vs. Empathy. DirkGently Mar 2015 #107

You illustrate my point about selective reading, look at this Bible quote: Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #110

Well no. That's not the threat of "Hell" you mentioned. DirkGently Mar 2015 #112

Hateful stuff is in the New Testament too, FYI. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #116

Agreed the Bible is a mess. Not the point though. DirkGently Mar 2015 #123

But the hateful stuff is ALSO in the New Testament, which they ignore. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #134

There are many different answers to that question el_bryanto Mar 2015 #102

Oh that's easy. Turbineguy Mar 2015 #104

It depends on how you interpret the Bible and how you interpret Jamastiene Mar 2015 #106

The 'interpretation' scheme shows the books don't mean much. Albertoo Mar 2015 #121

Whatever floats your boat... Jamastiene Mar 2015 #136

Amen to that. Albertoo Mar 2015 #145

If you think one need be a Christian to want fellow humans to have basic neccesities... cleanhippie Mar 2015 #138

Matt 7:21 workinclasszero Mar 2015 #150

I'm surprised this thread is still going really; particularly since it seems to be made up mostly of el_bryanto Mar 2015 #151

I had forgotten about it, one person responded today, then YOU did. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #153

That may not have been your intent- but that's clearly where it has gone el_bryanto Mar 2015 #155

They worship the "Eye for an eye" guy. DirkGently Mar 2015 #156

The Jesus I learned about would be horrified by TeaParTY and repubs. I say that sincerely NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #157

Jesus did not deal with tax dollars former9thward Mar 2015 #159

Nonsense NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #160

Humorous that you are trying to speak for someone you say didn't exist. former9thward Mar 2015 #161

I asked you if you are asserting that if Jesus EXISTED NOW he would say no government help NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #162

Unlike some, I don't try and predict what historical figures former9thward Mar 2015 #163

THen why did you insert yourself into the conversation with this NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #164

Sure he did. Skidmore Mar 2015 #169

Well that is one way of looking at it. former9thward Mar 2015 #181

Always seem to be finding fault with liberal arguments CreekDog Mar 2015 #182

No, poorly made arguments. former9thward Mar 2015 #185

Christ did encourage compassion for the poor el_bryanto Mar 2015 #189

I agree to the extent we should not pick and choose quotes from the Bible. former9thward Mar 2015 #192

What do you think of the poor? nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #196

Could there be a more broad question? former9thward Mar 2015 #197

You want them to have and to be treated as you Skidmore Mar 2015 #168

I.E. if I was hungry I wouldnt want someone saying "the government shouldnt do it and I dont feel NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #171

How would you want to be treated in those circumstances? Skidmore Mar 2015 #175

Yes, we are agreeing I hope you know NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #177

It shouldn't be difficult to figure out there isn't just one approach to Christianity BainsBane Mar 2015 #170

It is not an "approach" to Christianity to do the opposite of what Jesus said to do NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #172

While I certainly disagree with the right politically BainsBane Mar 2015 #173

I started it in the wrong forum, if i could move it i would, i cant. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #178

The Prosperity Doctrine was invented to take care of the cognitive dissonance Maedhros Mar 2015 #179

Yes....FORUM BOSSES, can you move this to religion? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #180

DU3 can't move stuff. It can only be locked, and a new thread started over there. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #183

It was dead until someone suggested that it is a logical conclusion that Jesus might NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #184

What's the number of the post you are referencing? nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #186

159 NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #187

Post 181 doesn't seem to be suggesting that, but I'll let that poster speak for him or herself. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #193

My position is the Jesus of the New Testament would have welcomed any and all NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #194

All I know is that it is said he would give you the shirt off his back if you had none. Rex Mar 2015 #188

He probably wore the same shirt, unwashed, for weeks...no thanks LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #190