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tularetom

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106. Voters are not going to get the nuance of this

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:18 PM

Mar 2015

Email accounts, servers, domain names. Most people just don't give a flying fuck. It boils down to this. Many Americans admire Ms Clinton, many others do not. In addition, there are some who are neutral about her.

Those who admire her believe this entire kerfuffle is just another media hit job on the Clintons. Those who dislike her believe that she bears some culpability for the email situation.

Here's the problem for her. The "neutral" bloc looks at this, looks at her reaction, and sees yet another case of Clinton drama and paranoia. And they're fucking fed up with it. The media have been just as tough on Obama as they were on the Clintons, maybe more so. But you never heard him whining about it and eventually it all subsided.

When emailgate broke, the Clintons first reaction was to dispatch an army of their minions to all the news shows and have them bad mouth the press for picking on the former SoS. And do you know what people thought? I do, they thought "Oh fuck, here we go again".

I don't think the country is ready for four more years of Clinton drama, there are too many important issues to have to deal with this kind of bullshit.

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In 2009 as Hillary was creating a unique domain, I had 4 email accounts on ONE iPhone. [View all] NYC_SKP Mar 2015 OP

Don't accept it then upaloopa Mar 2015 #1

You betcha jehop61 Mar 2015 #4

Prove it. arcane1 Mar 2015 #105

If this is how she conducted herself as SoS, how would she be a great President? TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #6

As a former Hillary 840high Mar 2015 #43

She conducted her herself fantastically as SoS. And that is why she will be a great President. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #76

She herself admitted that her email server was a mistake. She performed as SoS with TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #79

And she did a fantastic job as SoS. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #80

How so, did she do a fantastic job? You mean "We came, we saw, he died?" TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #85

and how about that TPP? nt antigop Mar 2015 #110

Bill Kristol is behind this story is what I heard, well done rightwing and their NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #132

No. Hillary Rodham Clinton is behind this story, she's the "decider" who decided to do this. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #141

No, it is Kristol and the rightwing, and they are VERY Well represented here at DU NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #142

Did Kristol set up the private server and domain name FOR Hillary Clinton???? I did not KNOW that! NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #143

BASH BASH BASH (Hillary, run for cover, DU is NOT friendly for you, if only you were a NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #144

Yeah, but you weren't trying to torpedo your own Presidential campaign. Orrex Mar 2015 #2

Heh heh Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #49

I also noticed that whopper, yesterday. leveymg Mar 2015 #3

What's the added picture for? Agschmid Mar 2015 #11

To illustrate her abundance of pockets. n/t leveymg Mar 2015 #16

Misogyny? Bill Kristol has people working all over the internets it seems NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #133

Sexist. pnwmom Mar 2015 #18

Sexist? Nonsense. She had pockets. Lots of women have pockets. leveymg Mar 2015 #42

Ha./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #44

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #86

Yah even I agree on this one. Agschmid Mar 2015 #117

Of course it is sexist, and it is gonna get WAY WORSE NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #134

What whopper? The OP is wrong on tech aspects. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #23

Not wrong on tech aspects. My pre-2012 Blackberries had multiple email accounts. leveymg Mar 2015 #46

So did the pre 2010 iPhone B2G Mar 2015 #51

So you agree that the OP is essentially correct? leveymg Mar 2015 #60

Yeah I do. B2G Mar 2015 #64

Your reasoning makes sense. Please share that. leveymg Mar 2015 #69

I don't think a gov issued device would be considered to be 'remote access' B2G Mar 2015 #74

I don't find that hard to believe. tammywammy Mar 2015 #130

Wrong. My 2007 iPhone had multiple email accounts. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #99

Totally wrong. The Op has no idea what the clintonmail.com server was eally for. leftofcool Mar 2015 #107

Do you? Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #112

I have my own e-mail server. So did Colin Powell. Atman Mar 2015 #5

Powell also violated the 1950 Federal Records Act. You didn't, unless you head a federal agency. leveymg Mar 2015 #26

Acc to this, Colin Powell had his private email along with his .gov email for business RiverLover Mar 2015 #48

I had read that. I'm referring to the 2007 disclosure that the Bush Admin had erased en mass its leveymg Mar 2015 #62

I have no idea. RiverLover Mar 2015 #71

How long has email been in existence? Atman Mar 2015 #111

iphone didn't allow multiple accounts until 2010. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #7

Just bookmark them on the Internet.... Real easy 4139 Mar 2015 #10

Bookmark what? They need network security. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #21

And the OP's screen shot was from 2011, not 2009. pnwmom Mar 2015 #12

And Blackberry didn't do it until 2013. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #17

And by then she already had her system in place and Obama obviously didn't care. nt pnwmom Mar 2015 #20

Yup, the only option she had was her own server. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #25

My three phones before 2012 were Blackberries, and they all allowed multiple email accounts. leveymg Mar 2015 #29

It wasn't until 2013... JaneyVee Mar 2015 #38

Don't spread disinfo. I had Blackberries with multiple email during that period. leveymg Mar 2015 #50

Blackberry Balance introduced January 30th 2013 JaneyVee Mar 2015 #56

That's MDM and containerization--a very different thing than permitting multiple email accounts. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #57

They would need network security which wasn't available JaneyVee Mar 2015 #61

HRC said she didn't use her phone for classified info, so pre-'13 SIPRNET access doesn't factor in. leveymg Mar 2015 #66

Not securely though. Also, she stated she opted for convenience. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #72

She's kind of screwed either way: Either she could and didn't, or couldn't and was snooty. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #145

I believe you could have multiple email accounts prior to 2010 B2G Mar 2015 #45

Not so. IOS 3 came out in June '09, and it permitted multiple accounts. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #77

That doesn't mean she was using the latest Iphone uponit7771 Mar 2015 #78

Possibly. But it definitively disproves the claim that iphone couldn't do multiple accts before '10 DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #81

No one is saying it couldn't do multiple acts, overt strawman noted uponit7771 Mar 2015 #83

How much money are you ready to put on your claim, sport-o? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #90

2,000.00 for either claim... I have PP and someone can hold the money. I love it when overt uponit7771 Mar 2015 #93

And again, she could have carried one device B2G Mar 2015 #101

Yes, she also could have jumped rope 2 times a day... in either case she didin't want to uponit7771 Mar 2015 #118

Let's do it. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #114

Acts /= accounts... I win on that one already..... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #122

I don't play fuckwit games. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #125

Oh hey there. Haven't heard from you recently. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #121

I already won half it ... do you really want to do the other half? uponit7771 Mar 2015 #123

ios 4.0 started unified inbox. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #91

I had been leaning toward dismissing this as a manufactured scandal.... daleanime Mar 2015 #8

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #22

Nice try, but the screen shot you posted was from 2011. pnwmom Mar 2015 #9

It's not his either I doubt he has Bell as his carrier... Agschmid Mar 2015 #13

Wow. I wonder which Rethug site s/he got it from? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #14

You're just adorable with your attempt to smear me. Try Google Image Search. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #39

You were attempting to smear Hillary with a 2011 screen shot. pnwmom Mar 2015 #41

agree riversedge Mar 2015 #47

How the sweet fuck Codeine Mar 2015 #115

Who owned the Blackberry? Hillary or the State Department? 4139 Mar 2015 #15

Is there no one on her team that's even a little bit tech literate? WillowTree Mar 2015 #19

The WA Post story is correct. The OP is bullshit. pnwmom Mar 2015 #24

That's about as technical as it could get in 2009. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #27

I was referring to wondering why her staff NOW didn't tell her that was a dumb thing to say. WillowTree Mar 2015 #55

Govt uses 2 networks.... JaneyVee Mar 2015 #59

So that means the BB should have been government issued B2G Mar 2015 #67

Convenience, as she stated. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #73

What inconvenient about the example I gave? B2G Mar 2015 #75

Managing 2 email accounts is taxing. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #82

You can't possibly be serious B2G Mar 2015 #88

Oh boy, knew that was coming. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #92

I think she showed incredibly poor judgement B2G Mar 2015 #95

It was legal according to the law. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #104

That's not the point. nt B2G Mar 2015 #113

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #94

Obviously he couldn't. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author peacebird Mar 2015 #28

That's two accounts, not four. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #30

We should feel insulted that you posted a pic from 2011... JaneyVee Mar 2015 #31

+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #36

It's not my phone, it's not my pic, it's a generic one that makes the point. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #40

It doesn't make the point. It's a screen shot from 2011. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #52

No kidding! Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #65

You could have 4 accounts on your iphone in 2009...that's just not in question. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #87

Cool way to rationalize an inaccuracy to better validate your creative speculation. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #53

Has it occured to you how unlikely it is to find a screen shot of the email page of an iPhone 3? NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #146

Oh, c'mon. That is just lame. Marr Mar 2015 #119

The only story here John Poet Mar 2015 #32

+1. What is it with DUers carrying the GOP's water? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #35

I just read the entire thread. Skippy, I suggest you delete the OP. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #33

Dear Frank. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #84

There's a lot of misinformation in the thread. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #89

"Why should I delete? I'm fighting for all of us against a bad choice for president." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #98

Go here: Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #109

Yea, granted, the excuse sounds a bit lame. That said, it does seem the media is going after Hillary dissentient Mar 2015 #34

Hi DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #37

If THIS is how you intend to promote Warren, then good fucking luck with that. Metric System Mar 2015 #54

No kidding. It's been an hour, and the author of the OP has has barely responded to comments. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #63

When you are a dog who needs to relieve himself everything looks like a fire hydrant./NY DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #68

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #58

I still don't BainsBane Mar 2015 #70

My very specific challenge is related to the excuse about convenience. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #96

I found it quite a normal response BainsBane Mar 2015 #103

I know that you aren't going to get much traction here -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2015 #97

The "not wanting 2 phones" part is pure BS Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #100

Voters are not going to get the nuance of this tularetom Mar 2015 #106

excellent post. I agree. nt m-lekktor Mar 2015 #108

What's more, I detest the way she uses womens' rights as a foil, or so it seems. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #136

About the first Question Eric_323 Mar 2015 #147

Nobody gives two tugs of a dead dog's dick Codeine Mar 2015 #116

amen nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #124

No shit! leftofcool Mar 2015 #126

Silly argument to me. Who gives a flying fuck if somebody has to carry two phones? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #120

Except for the 2naSalit Mar 2015 #127

Oh my God... Number23 Mar 2015 #128

I can tell you where I work you're not allowed to access other email accounts via company assets tammywammy Mar 2015 #129

I hear Bill Kristol is behind this email non story...well done rightwing NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #131

Your note to Hillary Clinton is MineralMan Mar 2015 #135

So I guess that makes you more qualified to be president. onenote Mar 2015 #137

I am. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #138

That is like poetry, so many bits of irony juxtaposed like that. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #139

Also, I don't mind carrying two devices in support of 300,000,000 Americans and the world. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #140