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48. I think Kucinich was held back by the PTB "keeping" Edwards in the campaign...

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:33 PM

Mar 2015

... until Super Tuesday, to draw away any possible build up of support for Kucinich then. I was an Edwards supporter then, and I think we were pushed to support him instead of someone like Kucinich, when the PTB knew they had a "plug" that they could pull when it suited them to have him removed from the campaign and leave the progressives without a real champion to vote for then... People then moved to Obama, since his more nebulous "vote for hope and change" had people hoping that he would carry through with some degree of progressive change, when Hillary at the time was more vocal about her support for things like war in the middle east. Of course many that went over to Obama were later disappointed when he did things like reverse himself in his campaign stances of looking to reform "free trade" deals like NAFTA, when he now seems to be behind pushing an even more potentially damaging TPP, that in effect are substantive reversals of those earlier campaign "promises".

I think it might be harder to insert an "Edwards" vote sink this time around, and I think that Warren has a lot more potential to draw voters than Kucinich did then, and people will be a lot more suspicious of candidates like Obama and Hillary this time around than they were in 2008.

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I'll bet if Elizabeth Warren runs, a large chunk of America will get on buses to go help her. [View all] TheNutcracker Mar 2015 OP

that may be true .. except she won't win ( small motivated minorty << lazy majority). nt srican69 Mar 2015 #1

or she will AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #9

I hope she can raise a billion dollars because that is what it is going to take. leftofcool Mar 2015 #65

Well SusanCalvin Mar 2015 #114

I believe she will because she exudes something lacking on both sides at the moment ... roguevalley Mar 2015 #17

There's not many in either party that stand up to the banksters and other corporatists... cascadiance Mar 2015 #31

She will win in a landslide. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #47

If she were thinking about running, wouldn't she have spoken out about pnwmom Mar 2015 #52

Maybe she just isn't a cheap politician that would exploit such a manufactured scandal. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #57

Meaning she agrees it's a manufactured scandal. pnwmom Mar 2015 #60

Whether she runs or not, we must bring the corporatist powers down. We rhett o rick Mar 2015 #95

I wish I had more confidence that Elizabeth Warren could win. pnwmom Mar 2015 #97

The problem with the lesser of evils theory is that those in power can rhett o rick Mar 2015 #102

which are you? hopemountain Mar 2015 #71

Me too. And she could win. peacebird Mar 2015 #2

Me three - count me in! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #77

I agree. I think she will be able.. one_voice Mar 2015 #3

Yep. The Washington machine wouldn't like it though /nt think Mar 2015 #4

I don't know if Elizabeth has ever failed to inspire a crowd? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #5

Does a large chunk of America even know who she is? bigwillq Mar 2015 #6

Did a large chunk of America even know who Barack Obama was? KamaAina Mar 2015 #8

I'd bet that in early 2007 his name recognition hifiguy Mar 2015 #10

76%, actually. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #32

Wow. His 2004 convention speech must have had hifiguy Mar 2015 #33

It really did. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #35

Back at Harvard in the mid Eighties Fred Friendlier Mar 2015 #82

We almost overlapped at HLS. hifiguy Mar 2015 #106

Those were interesting times Fred Friendlier Mar 2015 #115

Much higher than I would have thought. bigwillq Mar 2015 #37

And with that name recognition, Obama didn't really surge in the polls until a year later... cascadiance Mar 2015 #38

The endorsements from Caroline and Ted Kennedy didn't hurt him hifiguy Mar 2015 #39

I think Kucinich was held back by the PTB "keeping" Edwards in the campaign... cascadiance Mar 2015 #48

Absolutely. Warren is at 68% name recognition; certainly not bad at all. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #45

Obama who? Oh yeah, that guy, the President, who Hillary supporters said had no chance. Riggghhhht. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #79

That was 8 months prior to the election and after he had won the Iowa caucus. Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #54

I would have to say no. bigwillq Mar 2015 #12

A large chunk of the country didn't know who Bill Clinton was until LATE in the campaign. bvar22 Mar 2015 #20

I've known who Bill Clinton was since 1974 Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #120

Yes. 76% of Americans knew who he was in March 2007. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #30

Yes, they did. From the 2004 Democratic convention. BainsBane Mar 2015 #34

Average Americans don't vote in primaries. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #18

I would in a heart beat. HappyMe Mar 2015 #7

iF WARREN can be convinced to run, clydefrand Mar 2015 #11

Spot on! Warren motivates even the disenchanted politically astute to work harder TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #87

She would have a devoted following if she ran. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #13

Hardcore! Segami Mar 2015 #25

She touches a real chord with a number of people I know hifiguy Mar 2015 #40

They were before my time. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #43

I would Liberalynn Mar 2015 #14

I know *I* will. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #15

Considering what a big chunk could be and her position in some polls HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #16

IMHO, she's the only person who could capture the "Obama" magic. Vinca Mar 2015 #19

I'll bet if unicorns existed they'd fart rainbows. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #21

You say that like it would be a bad thing. Fearless Mar 2015 #29

I would! Left coast liberal Mar 2015 #22

Too old to do the walkin' but ready to do the callin' for Elizabeth! CTyankee Mar 2015 #23

Nah, they'll be riding unicorns! zappaman Mar 2015 #24

Count me DesertDawg Mar 2015 #26

Count me in. Fearless Mar 2015 #27

I'm in, finally, NOT a *plug your nose and vote* candidate (run EW!) edgineered Mar 2015 #28

"She can't win!" sorechasm Mar 2015 #42

that sounds like something Hilla(R)y would say! edgineered Mar 2015 #64

I would get on a bus to help her campaign, or walk if needed, gladly. Motivated, highly. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #36

Piketty and Krugman. hifiguy Mar 2015 #44

And maybe some real decent SCOTUS justices like Erwin Chemerinsky and Marjorie Cohn n/t cascadiance Mar 2015 #58

Chemerinsky would be great! hifiguy Mar 2015 #107

Absolutely, Krugman too. Totally clean house from the previous regime. The 90s are long over. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #62

We are sick of the lying and the betrayals of the people for corporate interests. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #41

Or irrelevant. Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #50

That too. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #53

It's not that he thinks we are stupid, he just thinks we should sit down and shut up. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #98

Sit down and shut up, we have billions of dollars to make for a few select special buddies. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #100

In in Iowa. slumcamper Mar 2015 #46

Like they did for Dennis Kucinich? And Lord knows he never wanted for airtime. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #49

I think if Edwards had pulled out a lot earlier, Kucinich would have picked up a lot of his voters.. cascadiance Mar 2015 #59

She's not going to, but yeah, I probably would. n/t Orsino Mar 2015 #51

I'd crawl for Warren. TDale313 Mar 2015 #55

I will be behind whoever the DNC nominee Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #56

I'll bet a lot of them will be pukes! nt BootinUp Mar 2015 #61

I agree. It would be a landslide, I believe. Helen Borg Mar 2015 #63

SHE WILL WIN! TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #66

If she runs... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #67

i would sell m farm, give her the money, and hit the road. mopinko Mar 2015 #68

Charles Pierce is a personal friend of hers. Raine1967 Mar 2015 #69

Except for the fact that she isn't running. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #70

Warren is a real thorn in the side of the Clintonites RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #72

Nope. America can't even be bothered to vote. They sure aren't getting on a bus n/t broadcaster75201 Mar 2015 #73

Slick Willie 2.0 father founding Mar 2015 #74

I think you woke up on the wrong side of the thread... demwing Mar 2015 #81

The fact that Elizabeth Warren may not run for president is irrelevant to me. democrank Mar 2015 #75

+1! RiverLover Mar 2015 #78

Who's stopping you from hearing what she has to say? zappaman Mar 2015 #80

If you believe that, you should be encouraging her MineralMan Mar 2015 #76

A story from 2008 spinbaby Mar 2015 #83

This. Exactly. HappyMe Mar 2015 #86

great vignette AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #99

R&K!!! RiverLover Mar 2015 #84

Damn straight. wilsonbooks Mar 2015 #85

Does this thread tell you something? Have you seen any other 100% positive thread on a candidate? TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #88

Yeah...but...but..a billion!1..name recognition... HappyMe Mar 2015 #91

Agree. Except #74 obnoxiousdrunk Mar 2015 #92

Doesn't count cuz they're bashing Obama and Clinton...not Warren. 100% positive for Warren here! TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #94

That's called living in an Echo chamber. One of the 99 Mar 2015 #105

Sure, because things in the US today are JUST like they were in 1988... RiverLover Mar 2015 #109

They are worse for progressives One of the 99 Mar 2015 #113

Count Me In... WillyT Mar 2015 #89

I bet you also believe that wolverines make great house pets. Beausoir Mar 2015 #90

. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #93

Wasn't Oscar part wolverine? great white snark Mar 2015 #96

The classic! Beausoir Mar 2015 #111

I don't know anybody that I would put my money Stellar Mar 2015 #101

Exactly, and this is proving to be the mindset across america! TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #103

PS. Thursday kick! TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #104

Let's think about this.. CloneClinton Mar 2015 #108

It reminds me of the chatter on Huffpo in 2006 for Barack Obama. RiverLover Mar 2015 #110

Well, in 2006, Obama was organizing a campaign,,, brooklynite Mar 2015 #112

And in a different way, so is Liz. She gets just as much attention/support 'not running'. TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #116

When Warren ran for Senate in 2012, did she forego organization and fundraising? brooklynite Mar 2015 #117

If you are this certain she isn't going to run, why does it matter to you so much RiverLover Mar 2015 #118

I care, because I have to deal with the aftermath... brooklynite Mar 2015 #119

Nothing about force will be said, but a fact remains, we will not have a choice. TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #121

Out of curiosity, were you as outraged when Al Gore ran for President? brooklynite Mar 2015 #123

If not Warren, it'll be a republican RobertEarl Mar 2015 #122