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cascadiance

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59. How do we "KNOW" she preserved all of her State Department emails?...
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:46 PM
Mar 2015

I'm not saying that she did or she didn't. But not having government entity oversight over her private email servers means quite correctly that we DO NOT KNOW whether she's giving all of her emails to the State Department.

Even if she's doing everything properly, working outside the government systems of IT will open up her to that criticism, and you can bet the right will push that line of thinking.

Now, if she's concerned about the government based systems having problems such as NSA spying, spying by opposing party operatives, just problems with quality, etc. then she should be (or have made that an issue at the time she moved her mail in to that private domain) as something that needed fixing. That way, if there are legitimate reasons for her having moved her professional email off of publicly accountable servers, then she could be on record that this is the problem that needs fixing, and perhaps this news coming to light would highlight those issues needing to be fixed.

All we are doing is helping the narrative that politicians like her can't be trusted that the right wants.

And helping the notion that even Democrats don't trust government run infrastructure, which is why we need to privatize everything, because government run installations are inherently not functioning well.

And if it is NSA that is causing this problem, it would probably fuel the priorities of the Republicans that the government spying programs are the only things worth expanding, and that all other government institutions that are victims to intelligence agency spying in an abusive way should be phased out for private systems.

We should be using what happened here not to focus on critiquing Hillary Clinton's motives for doing this, which we don't really know, but as a reason why we should be fixing the problems that have even Democrats go away from government infrastructure and its oversight.

Those that are corrupt, who will likely be protected when those who aren't will be targeted in the press as using private email in a corrupt fashion, want this too, as it legitimizes their desire to use private email and other IT infrastructure to carry on more corrupt agendas without having it have as much scrutiny too.

Just think. If Governor Kitzhaber and his fiancee here in Oregon had moved ALL of their email communications to private servers too, then we probably still would have him as our governor, as Kitzhaber wouldn't have felt the need to order a mass of email purges that he did that lead to his being pressured to resign. Would Hillary Clinton have advised him to move all of his email on to a private server the way she did? That would be an interesting question to ask her.

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Whaddaya mean? The "liberal" media was HOT on that story!!!! MADem Mar 2015 #1
; ) blm Mar 2015 #5
The MSM barely mentioned it at the time, IIRC... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #2
I remember that, and you are correct..the MSM covered it for a day, Stuart G Mar 2015 #3
We need to find then send the data around. The difference must be staggering. blm Mar 2015 #4
I remember a picture of a huge shredding company truck thecrow Mar 2015 #28
I remember that!!! IOKIYAR blm Mar 2015 #32
People on both sides of the aisle do not WANT to remember it. Aerows Mar 2015 #9
And SmartTech, the company that hosted Republican email, also helped "count votes" in Ohio in 2004.. cascadiance Mar 2015 #6
Who can forget? blm Mar 2015 #7
Not Rove. Blackwell. riqster Mar 2015 #29
Yes, and I about lost my top last night Aerows Mar 2015 #8
They quit caring in 2001 imo. Rex Mar 2015 #14
I know Aerows Mar 2015 #16
And now they have billion dollar think tanks and 'institutes' to crunch numbers for them. Rex Mar 2015 #20
Nobody would care now Rilgin Mar 2015 #84
Hell No.. it's business as usual for the US corporate A$$hole media.. cover up the repub scandals.. Cha Mar 2015 #10
But but but Hillary Clinton is special. Scandal just trails both Clintons wherever they go... Hekate Mar 2015 #11
I think if MWO were around, they'd be more cautious at some levels. blm Mar 2015 #12
I think you are right about Andrea M. She's an old-timer with reputation to match, yet she ... Hekate Mar 2015 #19
My beef was that she's supposed to have MAJOR foreign policy creds, yet blm Mar 2015 #22
You and I agree completely. How could Andrea have failed to cover that story? HOW? Hekate Mar 2015 #25
Traitor Tot!! riqster Mar 2015 #30
I have to say right up front, plain and center Aerows Mar 2015 #80
This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton Aerows Mar 2015 #17
See my comments about Andrea Mitchell, above. The problem is, the Clintons never seem to ... Hekate Mar 2015 #23
Well then the Bushes Aerows Mar 2015 #31
Take a breath. You are not seriously equating the Clintons with the Bushs and Cheneys?! Hekate Mar 2015 #43
No. I may have forgotten or before my time on DU sakabatou Mar 2015 #13
It was 2002-3 and was developing into a force to be reckoned with. blm Mar 2015 #15
I've seen you use the acronym Aerows Mar 2015 #18
MediaWhoresOnline Fumesucker Mar 2015 #21
The best. blm Mar 2015 #24
Can't say I wasn't just as upset by it Aerows Mar 2015 #33
Hillary didn't break the law. The law was overhauled and the new one pnwmom Mar 2015 #35
Good God Almighty. Aerows Mar 2015 #36
Just let me know which law she broke? Agschmid Mar 2015 #39
I hope this link is adequate. Aerows Mar 2015 #48
Which section of the law listed was broken? Agschmid Mar 2015 #53
The journaling part of it. Aerows Mar 2015 #55
So if by journaling you mean section 1... Agschmid Mar 2015 #57
"make and preserve records" Aerows Mar 2015 #60
Eh I'm not trying to pick a fight... Agschmid Mar 2015 #62
You are a good DUer Aerows Mar 2015 #65
You both are! NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #73
Thanks, Eugene Aerows Mar 2015 #79
Thanks... Agschmid Mar 2015 #81
Ooopsie. Way over the top with false equivalencies. OTT see my post above. Hekate Mar 2015 #44
You accused me of being a birther Aerows Mar 2015 #51
I remember, blm...... KoKo Mar 2015 #26
Yep, definitely forgot/didn't know about this. sakabatou Mar 2015 #41
Cheney flat out refused and told them to go malaise Mar 2015 #27
Or all the emails Colin Powell deliberately deleted? No one raised any eyebrow about that. pnwmom Mar 2015 #34
An eyebrow did get raised Aerows Mar 2015 #37
I noticed that Elizabeth Warren isn't criticizing Hillary for this. pnwmom Mar 2015 #38
I don't give a shit who does or does not criticize it. Aerows Mar 2015 #40
Hillary preserved her State Department emails and sent them to the State Department. pnwmom Mar 2015 #42
For a very good reason Aerows Mar 2015 #46
She did preserve it and sent it to the State Department when they asked for it. pnwmom Mar 2015 #49
No Aerows Mar 2015 #52
I assume this will be your response to me in the other thread? Agschmid Mar 2015 #54
I am only capable of posting in so many threads Aerows Mar 2015 #56
Lol. Agschmid Mar 2015 #58
She journaled/preserved it by sending it TO recipients with .gov state department addresses. MADem Mar 2015 #78
I guess we are supposed to take her word for it. Hillary, that is. Trust her! NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #68
We trust people in government to make phone calls without transcripts. pnwmom Mar 2015 #83
You've worked in the government for how long, exactly? n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #86
How is that relevant? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #87
When you are attempting to speak from a position of authority Aerows Mar 2015 #92
How was I attempting to speak from authority? pnwmom Mar 2015 #93
When you assert something Aerows Mar 2015 #94
What did I way that was incorrect? pnwmom Mar 2015 #95
How do we "KNOW" she preserved all of her State Department emails?... cascadiance Mar 2015 #59
We should have fixed the antiquated .gov system years ago, and we should be pnwmom Mar 2015 #64
No arguments from me on Aerows Mar 2015 #66
I'd like to think this is an area we could all agree on and not make this just a "Hillary" thing... cascadiance Mar 2015 #69
I'm trying to avoid this being just about Hillary, but SHE helped make it that way... cascadiance Mar 2015 #67
And here is a person that get's it. Aerows Mar 2015 #70
History Rilgin Mar 2015 #97
There is not enough factual evidence on the planet to convince a birther either. I am really sorry. Hekate Mar 2015 #45
Are you implying that I am a birther Aerows Mar 2015 #47
Read my posts above -- I responded to you with explanation for the term I used. Long response here Hekate Mar 2015 #74
I appreciate your response Aerows Mar 2015 #76
Annnnnnd the jury results. zappaman Mar 2015 #72
Oh. Well, thank you jury. Probably dug myself in deeper with the long post I wrote while... Hekate Mar 2015 #75
I appreciated your explanation Aerows Mar 2015 #85
Because I didn't. It was an analogy gone wrong. Thank you, though, for reading my explanation. Hekate Mar 2015 #88
I can accept that it was an analogy gone wrong. Aerows Mar 2015 #91
The underlying statute has no teeth - so there seemed no leveymg Mar 2015 #50
I miss "the horse"!!!! salin Mar 2015 #61
Or the two trillion dollars the military "lost" as of 9/10/2001. nt valerief Mar 2015 #63
That everybody forgets about. Aerows Mar 2015 #71
The media scrutiny was nil. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #77
They did exactly nothing about it. Aerows Mar 2015 #90
"I'm not ready to use the appellation you did" malokvale77 Mar 2015 #96
I'd say New York Times coverage is far from "media silence" as some here are suggesting... MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #82
It's the LEVEL of coverage. We're well aware that some exists - certainly NOT comparable to blm Mar 2015 #99
Nope. Not the MSM. Only the left wing press. McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #89
It Is So Maddening colsohlibgal Mar 2015 #98
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