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Hekate

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74. Read my posts above -- I responded to you with explanation for the term I used. Long response here

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:28 PM

Mar 2015

It's not exclusive to you. It's not even about you.

Aerows, my first foray online ever was to join Censure and Move On. I was a full adult when the witch hunt against both Clintons took place. I am now 67 and I have not forgotten, nor have I forgiven, the actions of the RW/VRWC/ GOP and their ilk.

The Clintons are not saints. God knows I am not, and you probably are not either. I don't fool around on my husband, nor he on me -- but that is our private marriage, and they have their own arrangements. Just so you know -- I agree the Clintons are not saints.

But each and every "scandal" that has (as Andrea Mitchell so disingenuously put it this morning) "followed them around" has been manufactured by the RW and propagated by the media. If they had done 1/10 of what they have been accused of over the years they would both be in prison -- because they are not now and never have been Republicans. IOKIYAR, you know?

I realized long ago that this is not about either of them giving up more information. The more they give, the more is demanded, and the more the RW keeps picking at every comma trying to unravel something, anything.

You may be offended at my analogy, but I am not calling you a birther. I am pointing out the extent to which Democrats allow themselves to fall into that old trap laid out for us by the Republicans.

If you have evidence that the Clintons have committed actual crimes like the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal, please bring it forth. Be explicit. Don't wave around innuendoes and false equivalencies. Eschew conspiracy theories.

I don't know what else to say, but I can tell there is something that really bothers you about them, far above and beyond the run of the mill politicians. I just can't believe that if you really were an adult in the 1990s and 2000-2008 that you could ever say that these people are "the same" in criminality or in any other way.

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Anyone recall the level of media scrutiny for the millions of emails Bush-Cheney-Rove 'lost'? [View all] blm Mar 2015 OP

Whaddaya mean? The "liberal" media was HOT on that story!!!! MADem Mar 2015 #1

; ) blm Mar 2015 #5

The MSM barely mentioned it at the time, IIRC... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #2

I remember that, and you are correct..the MSM covered it for a day, Stuart G Mar 2015 #3

We need to find then send the data around. The difference must be staggering. blm Mar 2015 #4

I remember a picture of a huge shredding company truck thecrow Mar 2015 #28

I remember that!!! IOKIYAR blm Mar 2015 #32

People on both sides of the aisle do not WANT to remember it. Aerows Mar 2015 #9

And SmartTech, the company that hosted Republican email, also helped "count votes" in Ohio in 2004.. cascadiance Mar 2015 #6

Who can forget? blm Mar 2015 #7

Not Rove. Blackwell. riqster Mar 2015 #29

Yes, and I about lost my top last night Aerows Mar 2015 #8

They quit caring in 2001 imo. Rex Mar 2015 #14

I know Aerows Mar 2015 #16

And now they have billion dollar think tanks and 'institutes' to crunch numbers for them. Rex Mar 2015 #20

Nobody would care now Rilgin Mar 2015 #84

Hell No.. it's business as usual for the US corporate A$$hole media.. cover up the repub scandals.. Cha Mar 2015 #10

But but but Hillary Clinton is special. Scandal just trails both Clintons wherever they go... Hekate Mar 2015 #11

I think if MWO were around, they'd be more cautious at some levels. blm Mar 2015 #12

I think you are right about Andrea M. She's an old-timer with reputation to match, yet she ... Hekate Mar 2015 #19

My beef was that she's supposed to have MAJOR foreign policy creds, yet blm Mar 2015 #22

You and I agree completely. How could Andrea have failed to cover that story? HOW? Hekate Mar 2015 #25

Traitor Tot!! riqster Mar 2015 #30

I have to say right up front, plain and center Aerows Mar 2015 #80

This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton Aerows Mar 2015 #17

See my comments about Andrea Mitchell, above. The problem is, the Clintons never seem to ... Hekate Mar 2015 #23

Well then the Bushes Aerows Mar 2015 #31

Take a breath. You are not seriously equating the Clintons with the Bushs and Cheneys?! Hekate Mar 2015 #43

No. I may have forgotten or before my time on DU sakabatou Mar 2015 #13

It was 2002-3 and was developing into a force to be reckoned with. blm Mar 2015 #15

I've seen you use the acronym Aerows Mar 2015 #18

MediaWhoresOnline Fumesucker Mar 2015 #21

The best. blm Mar 2015 #24

Can't say I wasn't just as upset by it Aerows Mar 2015 #33

Hillary didn't break the law. The law was overhauled and the new one pnwmom Mar 2015 #35

Good God Almighty. Aerows Mar 2015 #36

Just let me know which law she broke? Agschmid Mar 2015 #39

I hope this link is adequate. Aerows Mar 2015 #48

Which section of the law listed was broken? Agschmid Mar 2015 #53

The journaling part of it. Aerows Mar 2015 #55

So if by journaling you mean section 1... Agschmid Mar 2015 #57

"make and preserve records" Aerows Mar 2015 #60

Eh I'm not trying to pick a fight... Agschmid Mar 2015 #62

You are a good DUer Aerows Mar 2015 #65

You both are! NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #73

Thanks, Eugene Aerows Mar 2015 #79

Thanks... Agschmid Mar 2015 #81

Ooopsie. Way over the top with false equivalencies. OTT see my post above. Hekate Mar 2015 #44

You accused me of being a birther Aerows Mar 2015 #51

I remember, blm...... KoKo Mar 2015 #26

Yep, definitely forgot/didn't know about this. sakabatou Mar 2015 #41

Cheney flat out refused and told them to go malaise Mar 2015 #27

Or all the emails Colin Powell deliberately deleted? No one raised any eyebrow about that. pnwmom Mar 2015 #34

An eyebrow did get raised Aerows Mar 2015 #37

I noticed that Elizabeth Warren isn't criticizing Hillary for this. pnwmom Mar 2015 #38

I don't give a shit who does or does not criticize it. Aerows Mar 2015 #40

Hillary preserved her State Department emails and sent them to the State Department. pnwmom Mar 2015 #42

For a very good reason Aerows Mar 2015 #46

She did preserve it and sent it to the State Department when they asked for it. pnwmom Mar 2015 #49

No Aerows Mar 2015 #52

I assume this will be your response to me in the other thread? Agschmid Mar 2015 #54

I am only capable of posting in so many threads Aerows Mar 2015 #56

Lol. Agschmid Mar 2015 #58

She journaled/preserved it by sending it TO recipients with .gov state department addresses. MADem Mar 2015 #78

I guess we are supposed to take her word for it. Hillary, that is. Trust her! NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #68

We trust people in government to make phone calls without transcripts. pnwmom Mar 2015 #83

You've worked in the government for how long, exactly? n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #86

How is that relevant? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #87

When you are attempting to speak from a position of authority Aerows Mar 2015 #92

How was I attempting to speak from authority? pnwmom Mar 2015 #93

When you assert something Aerows Mar 2015 #94

What did I way that was incorrect? pnwmom Mar 2015 #95

How do we "KNOW" she preserved all of her State Department emails?... cascadiance Mar 2015 #59

We should have fixed the antiquated .gov system years ago, and we should be pnwmom Mar 2015 #64

No arguments from me on Aerows Mar 2015 #66

I'd like to think this is an area we could all agree on and not make this just a "Hillary" thing... cascadiance Mar 2015 #69

I'm trying to avoid this being just about Hillary, but SHE helped make it that way... cascadiance Mar 2015 #67

And here is a person that get's it. Aerows Mar 2015 #70

History Rilgin Mar 2015 #97

There is not enough factual evidence on the planet to convince a birther either. I am really sorry. Hekate Mar 2015 #45

Are you implying that I am a birther Aerows Mar 2015 #47

Read my posts above -- I responded to you with explanation for the term I used. Long response here Hekate Mar 2015 #74

I appreciate your response Aerows Mar 2015 #76

Annnnnnd the jury results. zappaman Mar 2015 #72

Oh. Well, thank you jury. Probably dug myself in deeper with the long post I wrote while... Hekate Mar 2015 #75

I appreciated your explanation Aerows Mar 2015 #85

Because I didn't. It was an analogy gone wrong. Thank you, though, for reading my explanation. Hekate Mar 2015 #88

I can accept that it was an analogy gone wrong. Aerows Mar 2015 #91

The underlying statute has no teeth - so there seemed no leveymg Mar 2015 #50

I miss "the horse"!!!! salin Mar 2015 #61

Or the two trillion dollars the military "lost" as of 9/10/2001. nt valerief Mar 2015 #63

That everybody forgets about. Aerows Mar 2015 #71

The media scrutiny was nil. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #77

They did exactly nothing about it. Aerows Mar 2015 #90

"I'm not ready to use the appellation you did" malokvale77 Mar 2015 #96

I'd say New York Times coverage is far from "media silence" as some here are suggesting... MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #82

It's the LEVEL of coverage. We're well aware that some exists - certainly NOT comparable to blm Mar 2015 #99

Nope. Not the MSM. Only the left wing press. McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #89

It Is So Maddening colsohlibgal Mar 2015 #98