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In reply to the discussion: MoJo: What Did Monsanto Show Bill Nye to Make Him Fall "in Love" With GMOs? [View all]ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)42. Why did I bother to bring *what* up? Pointing out that some scientists have interests that
cut across their neutrality is not an ad hominem argument until I claim that their results *must be* false on that basis.
Any scientist whose income depends on a corporate interest, and gets paid to do science that affects the bottom line of that corporate interest, should be scrutinized. That's not ad hom, that's good sense.
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99th_Monkey
Mar 2015
OP
really? i think he's gone over to the dark side. too bad. i used to like him on seattle tv.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#2
not quite "dark side," don't worry!--but he's a hydraulic engineer and impresario,
MisterP
Mar 2015
#4
Ah, I see. He's got a BA in mechanical engineering. The "science guy" is an engineer. And
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#37
And I have an MS in a science (more closely related to this topic than nye's) and
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#123
"which have been linked pretty decisively to the decline of monarch butterflies"
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#3
It's easier to rant and rave than realize that farmers are trying to grow as much food as possible.
HuckleB
Mar 2015
#5
Oh baloney. The US pays farmers *not* to grow food to keep prices up, and the only reason
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#38
You don't want to discuss with me because you can't refute the truth. All you have are canned
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#78
To get a sense why the monarch butterflies are in decline, I called Lincoln Brower, a professor of
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#9
The alternative to what? The scientist says that Roundup is the primary cause of Monarch
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#13
Is that 'simple"? You seem to be saying that without GM & Roundup, something *worse* for
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#17
first i want to make sure that that is indeed you argument. as for your pirate chart, it's
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#22
so you're not even going to tell me if that is indeed what your claim is, that if there weren't
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#31
No more misleading than your claim that corn production has 'skyrocketed,' especially
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#41
"Increased" doesn't = "Skyrocketed". And if it increased because a big corporation lobbied
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#46
Well, I'd say you'd get an argument if you claim GM crops have "greatly increased food production".
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#36
The Green Revolution was 40s-60s, which is what you're referring to. Borlaug didnt do
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#45
Hardly "destroyed". It said the only variety of GM that would cause a problem is one being phased
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#10
I don't think you understand the meaning of ad hominem. And I only looked at the first two
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#35
Why did I bother to bring *what* up? Pointing out that some scientists have interests that
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#42
Do you also share a BS in Mechanical Engineering? That's the sum total of his science experience.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#47
Certainly. But it's not a degree that gives Nye any relevant qualification to judge the
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#50
Certainly a BS in Engineering gives him the right to an opinion, and a general knowledge of
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#61
I also have a science degree: at a higher level, and more relevant than nye's. i've done
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#64
You keep making this claim, but you keep showing that you don't understand the issue at all.
HuckleB
Mar 2015
#68
If you want to use Koch & Monsanto-linked sources, be prepared to be called on it.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#98
"Do you also share a BS in Mechanical Engineering? That's the sum total of his science experience."
NCTraveler
Mar 2015
#106
Nye has a BS in Mechanical Engineering. He worked at Boeing after he graduated, before
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#48
This thread isn't about Vandana shiva, and you're the only one who brought her into it.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#114
Not generally, because the label "organic" doesn't equate to healthier foods.
NuclearDem
Mar 2015
#107
Good for him, but I'm my own man and can make my own decisions based on the evidence.
NuclearDem
Mar 2015
#109
and him eating organic when organic is 'meaningless' doesn't bring his reliability
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#111
nye the scientist loves organics (which many of our resident DU scientists think =
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#115
it's only a fallacy if you claim his inconsistency proves his position must be wrong. which
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#118
Interestingly, my guess was that Nye was vegetarian or vegan, because he has 'the look'.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#55
Debate will continue until all results of putting these gene changes into the environment can be
mmonk
Mar 2015
#62
You have never advocated for "truth in labeling," just demonization via labeling.
HuckleB
Mar 2015
#70
What could account for such a change? That's some photo of employees with a faux Bill Bow Tie.
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#76
Ha, ha. Not a big sucker, far from it. He seems like a person who knows just what he's doing.
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#110