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Peace Patriot

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69. The chances of the "unsinkable Titanic" going down were also improbable.
Wed May 2, 2012, 04:39 AM
May 2012
"...chances of another earthquake and tidal wave hitting the exact same spot in a short time frame are very slim but indeed possible though improbable. Lets hope they finish the clean up before that happens!"

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"...hitting the exact same spot in a short time frame."

Your lifetime, are you thinking? The lifetimes of everybody currently alive? Do you know how long some of the nuclear materials in these fuel rods can kill?

"Lets hope they finish the clean up before that happens!"

The clean up. Right. How do you clean this up? They don't know. And they still have one reactor in danger of more fires and explosions. If the fuel rods remain in the worst earthquake/tsunami zone on earth (their present location), another 9.0 can easily occur within the "life" of these materials. If they are moved--aside from, say, shooting them to Mars (or even that)--what happens along the way? How do you handle such "hot" materials--and, even more important, who wants them? Moving them is probably as absurd as anything else, in this situation, so most likely these immensely lethal, exposed fuel rods are going to stay there, in the most active earthquake zone in the world. The next 9.0 may not happen soon and may not happen in your lifetime, but it will happen. What then, for those alive in the future?

This is an on-going disaster for which there are really no solutions.

We need to do A LOT more than a "clean up" of that site, if that is even possible. That site could release enough nuclear material to kill millions if not billions of people, as well as poisoning masses of land and sea and other critters, even without another earthquake.

The bigger problem is this massive, immensely lethal danger in so many places on earth, including other earthquake and tsunami zones. There is NO safety system commensurate with the potential danger. To be commensurate with the potential danger, a safety system would have to GUARANTEE that certain things will NEVER happen. And we cannot rely on the nuclear industry or its shills in government to tell the truth about this. They have not done so up to now and they never will.

How do you think it came to pass that not just one but a complex of nuclear power plants, all packed closely together, were installed in the worst earthquake/tsunami zone on earth?

The nuclear industry is a "Mobius Strip" of immense private profit, which starts with billions of taxpayer and ratepayer dollars to build these immensely lethally dangerous plants, makes a few people immensely rich, and ends with the same or related transglobal corporations raking in billions from taxpayers and ratepayers for cleaning up the immense messes they make and also LYING that they can store spent fuel rods and other lethal products SAFELY. One end of this twisted loop connects with the other (as a poster upthread pointed out) and the public interest is nowhere to be found in that loop. We don't count. We pay for it. And we get to die from it, when the inevitable happens, like Fukushima--built to withstand a certain level of earthquake/tsunami but not the one that happened.

Nuclear power must be ENDED (along with nuclear weapons). It is TOO DANGEROUS. It can, with only a few mistakes or only a few unlucky events, end all life on earth. The gamble is too great. Individuals may want to gamble their lives, in various ways, for gain or for glory. NO ONE has the right to gamble with the entire human race and the fragile ecosystem on which the human race and all life depends.

The Titanic probably went down, according to recent research, because the iceberg scraped its side rather than the ship running into it, head on. If it had been hit head on, it probably would have stayed afloat. Instead, the iceberg scraped the side and caused the collapse of a series of bulkheads. There were then other mishaps. One nearby ship didn't get the "SOS." There weren't enough lifeboats and life jackets, etc.

So how much bad luck can happen at once--to sink an "unsinkable" ship and kill the majority of its passengers? Enough bad luck can happen, for that to happen.

We, as the human race, and our planet, are not immune to a run of bad luck, like that which sank the Titanic and killed most of its people. One more nuclear plant failure. Two more. Three more. And will we be saying, "What a weird coincidence?" or will we be crying lamentably, "Why didn't we stop this when we could?" The San Andreas Fault blows, the San Onofre nuclear plant blows and California and parts of Mexico become a waste land; meanwhile, Fukushima blows again, and swaths of the Pacific become a wasteland and radiation starts spreading across the U.S. Or, an accidental nuclear missile launch. Two of them. Three. The Pentagon shoots down one of the accidentally launched nuclear missiles, but, oops, there is a computer glitch caused by solar flare activity and they can't find the other two. Some other nuclear power thinks they are under attack and launch their own nukes. How many things can go wrong at once--from human error, mechanical failure and fate?

Nuclear materials are basically forever--so "probabilities" are not the right way to think about them. And you really can't trust even the most iron-clad, highly regulated, open and aboveboard safety guarantees because the consequences of failure are too great. We don't have any such iron-clad system--not even close--but even if we did, it wouldn't be enough. THAT is the problem--not how to "clean up" one on-going nuclear disaster that "only" affects Japan (jeez) and a few other unfortunate random individuals along that radiation path. The problem is that these materials are too dangerous for failure.

It is insanity that we even have to talk about this. But that is what we have done to ourselves--allowed our democracy to become so corrupt, and, indeed, in many respects, so non-existent, that our rulers blithely gamble with the fate of all life on earth for the profit of a few--not even to "defend" us against fancied "enemies," but merely for profit. They have inured us--with non-stop and very intense propaganda--to live with the threat of nuclear weapons and have meanwhile added this second nuclear threat, also amidst intense lies and propaganda.

One other thing: Even if a nuclear disaster "only" destroys Japan or the Pacific Ocean or the West Coast, and "only" kills a million people, or ten million, or 2 billion, what are we doing this for? We have a choice (if we restore our democracy). WHY put so many people and such swaths of the earth at such risk? (--not to mention how the rest of the planet may fair if widespread radiation poisons a big portion of it). This is NOT as difficult a problem as global warming. This is ONE industry and ONE set of profiteers. And it is by far the most lethal industry on earth because of the persistence of the materials and their impact on the web of life that sustains us all. Why do it?

We have a choice. Why choose to write off a million people, or even a thousand, or the grey whales, for profit? Frankly, I think the Bush Junta has made us all so crazy that we can think in these terms--that maybe a "small" nuclear disaster, now and then, ain't so bad. We are choosing this. It WILL happen. It HAS happened! And, believe me, this one is not "small" and it is not over.

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What in Hell have we been fooling with? KansDem May 2012 #1
Don't worry, we run out of people after 2 or 3 rods Motown_Johnny May 2012 #11
Just like the nuclear missles we stockpiled for years and years dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #29
"How about a nice game of chess?" FiveGoodMen May 2012 #31
Strange game, the only way to win is not to play. Motown_Johnny May 2012 #37
YES! Delphinus May 2012 #82
Yes, if you carefully grind up each fuel rod an dispense a little tiny bit jeff47 May 2012 #13
Explosions RobertEarl May 2012 #21
So we're all already dead, right? jeff47 May 2012 #23
Did you eat some? RobertEarl May 2012 #28
Hey now, this is your story not mine jeff47 May 2012 #56
Members of my family have spent the last 30 years moving NUCLEAR waste around and... Tikki May 2012 #43
I've been to Hanford appal_jack May 2012 #77
You're posting false information. TheWraith May 2012 #44
You are wrong RobertEarl May 2012 #47
I dunno, where's your iodine bottles? Zalatix May 2012 #62
The European plutonium is probably from a European source Art_from_Ark May 2012 #65
Your credibility on this matter has been shown to be zero. When you're in a hole, quit digging. apocalypsehow May 2012 #105
Nuclear shit we made is a bit different from water, duh. Peace Patriot May 2012 #66
"Tell that to a plant, how dangerous carbon dioxide is" paulk May 2012 #76
I don't think it's a stupid analogy at all. EOTE May 2012 #90
more fear mongering paulk May 2012 #95
Funny, I don't see a single mention of fuel rods killing billions of people in that article. EOTE May 2012 #97
if that thing goes all the "fear mongering" in the world paulk May 2012 #99
And people wonder why this can't get decent coverage. EOTE May 2012 #104
don't worry, be happy paulk May 2012 #107
Yeah, that's right. It's either "everything's dandy!" or "Everyone's gonna die!!!!" EOTE May 2012 #108
and calling someone "simple minded" paulk May 2012 #109
Knowing simple minded thought when one sees it? EOTE May 2012 #110
I was thinking more along the lines of "asshole" paulk May 2012 #111
It's far better to come to this site as an anonymous asshole EOTE May 2012 #112
But don't worry. It's really clean and safe and so much better than coal. Cleita May 2012 #36
We'll have to put the Turbineguy May 2012 #2
... TBF May 2012 #10
The article doesn't mention how the US is in "huge trouble." JDPriestly May 2012 #3
Wyden lives in Oregon lovuian May 2012 #5
I live in LA. It's really frightening. JDPriestly May 2012 #100
NaturalNews with irresponsible scare tactics Lawlbringer May 2012 #6
There are other sources lovuian May 2012 #8
Radiation plume alfredo May 2012 #19
*blink* Arbitrary Units? jeff47 May 2012 #24
I compared this graphic to others that showed a similar profile, not to show amount, alfredo May 2012 #52
Except that the amount is the entire point. jeff47 May 2012 #57
Not just US, America...because it is far worst and not being reported as such mother earth May 2012 #7
Actually, if you go by what's been online thus far jeff47 May 2012 #12
I didn't quote any article and am going by memory, and how I interpreted what I read, not a mother earth May 2012 #74
My point is there's an awful lot of hysterical doom-n-gloom jeff47 May 2012 #81
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #86
Thanks for proving my point so well! jeff47 May 2012 #89
Terrible news Politicalboi May 2012 #4
WSJ source lovuian May 2012 #9
There are 4.5 to 5.0 quakes off the Honshu coast. Three just yesterday. alfredo May 2012 #22
So, despite the title is it more accurate to say the entire world Rex May 2012 #14
Yep lovuian May 2012 #16
Huffington Post article lovuian May 2012 #15
From satellites and the Space Station we can make radiation maps Downwinder May 2012 #17
They've already been made jeff47 May 2012 #27
Bullcrap RobertEarl May 2012 #30
Google "fukushima radiation plume", then narrow to "images" bhikkhu May 2012 #40
oK, THANKS RobertEarl May 2012 #42
You mean like the "Arbitrary Units" one above? jeff47 May 2012 #58
Same as eating three bananas a day...right, Jeffie? PCIntern May 2012 #48
jeff the banana guy Generic Other May 2012 #51
Might wanna get that memory checked jeff47 May 2012 #61
My apologies Generic Other May 2012 #63
LOL !! alittlelark May 2012 #98
You're free to show any, you know, data. jeff47 May 2012 #59
Angst. Ghost Dog May 2012 #18
It's slightly shocking how little discussion that letter is generating. nt redqueen May 2012 #20
NOW is the time to address these potential problems. felix_numinous May 2012 #25
We can't address huge problems even when they destroy our economy kenny blankenship May 2012 #26
Kick - exposure DearAbby May 2012 #32
K&R. Horrific indeed. n/t DLevine May 2012 #33
Sounds like there's no reason to get in a snit over this tularetom May 2012 #34
Not so Tularetom RobertEarl May 2012 #50
K&R SunSeeker May 2012 #35
Oh, no. All our resources go to war and tax breaks for the wealthy. valerief May 2012 #38
Both governments seem awfully unconcerned, frankly. marble falls May 2012 #39
I shit that stuff after going out for Mexican! L0oniX May 2012 #41
And everything that comes directly from Sen Wyden, take seriously. "Christina Consolo"? not so much. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #45
the 1565 fuel rod claim and the number of people claim are both coming from Natural News Occulus May 2012 #46
Ok this is a repeat but there are more sources lovuian May 2012 #53
naturalnews. LOL...nt SidDithers May 2012 #49
what about Senator Wydens page lovuian May 2012 #54
If you had "reliable" sources... SidDithers May 2012 #55
ugh spanone May 2012 #60
Jeez, how could you not listen to Consolo? EX500rider May 2012 #64
The chances of the "unsinkable Titanic" going down were also improbable. Peace Patriot May 2012 #69
Self-sustaining chain reactions at the site are now unlikely... EX500rider May 2012 #91
What do you need more to GET IT West Coast "Lethal Risk" lovuian May 2012 #71
Where does Wyden say anything about "lethal risk" to the West coast? EX500rider May 2012 #96
SOuth America here I come ErikJ May 2012 #67
The "naysayer shills" on this thread are incredibly ignorant. BeHereNow May 2012 #68
I have to admit lovuian May 2012 #70
It's not exactly helpful to mix talk of prophecies redqueen May 2012 #72
And it is extreme ignorance and bigotry to refer to other cultural beliefs as "Woo-Woo." BeHereNow May 2012 #92
Prophecies are nonsense. That is my opinion. redqueen May 2012 #93
Oh hell, would you take the time to watch a documentary and open your mind for an hour? BeHereNow May 2012 #94
As hopeless as it all seems... EmeraldCityGrl May 2012 #103
Yes, if the Kogi and Hopi prophecies are the same, it is just coincidence... SidDithers May 2012 #75
In the past 60 years, we've already vaporized and distributed many pounds of plutonium into the air NickB79 May 2012 #73
Yep RobertEarl May 2012 #78
If the OP's math were correct, we'd all be dead by now NickB79 May 2012 #101
The warnings continue but no one pays attention. nt ladjf May 2012 #79
The title of the thread says the warning is from a nuclear expert MattBaggins May 2012 #80
I am a nuclear chemical operator mick063 May 2012 #83
Thanks, mick RobertEarl May 2012 #84
thanks for the post, mick bigtree May 2012 #85
you're a big shot here, bigtree RobertEarl May 2012 #88
"I am a nuclear chemical operator" - LOL. Fancy that! I'm an astronaunt working on warp drive for apocalypsehow May 2012 #106
Absolute truth mick063 May 2012 #113
More about DTPA mick063 May 2012 #114
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow May 2012 #115
Every now and then someone has an epiphany raouldukelives May 2012 #87
Already Rec'd and now it's time for a KICK! BeHereNow May 2012 #102
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