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ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
63. Then We Still Disagree
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:58 AM
Mar 2015

I'm not a molecular biologist either. I actually am a scientist with multiple advanced degrees. (OK, so one of them is an MBA.)

I would think my opinion is as valid as most to listen to, EXCEPT that of a fully qualified expert.

Now, if i'm doing a conversation on climate change and i start blaming unicorns for it, you would have a perfectly reasonable cause to dismiss my opinion out of hand.

But, if i have an opinion of GMO's and it doesn't exactly suit you, but it is based upon a fundamental understanding of science, how to analyze data properly, and draw meaingful conclusions from the information, it should be ignored just because i'm not a molecular biologist and that i'm not famous.

Seems a slippery slope to "nobody gets to have an opinion, except in their own narrow field of expertise."

might just be ideology--he's also saying there's that "STEM shortage" MisterP Mar 2015 #1
really? i think he's gone over to the dark side. too bad. i used to like him on seattle tv. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #2
not quite "dark side," don't worry!--but he's a hydraulic engineer and impresario, MisterP Mar 2015 #4
Ah, I see. He's got a BA in mechanical engineering. The "science guy" is an engineer. And ND-Dem Mar 2015 #37
Easy there.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #122
And I have an MS in a science (more closely related to this topic than nye's) and ND-Dem Mar 2015 #123
I imagine a huge salad of 50's and 100's roguevalley Mar 2015 #79
"which have been linked pretty decisively to the decline of monarch butterflies" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #3
It's easier to rant and rave than realize that farmers are trying to grow as much food as possible. HuckleB Mar 2015 #5
Oh baloney. The US pays farmers *not* to grow food to keep prices up, and the only reason ND-Dem Mar 2015 #38
Keep ranting. HuckleB Mar 2015 #67
You don't want to discuss with me because you can't refute the truth. All you have are canned ND-Dem Mar 2015 #78
#Irony. HuckleB Mar 2015 #80
refute it then. without studies from people affiliated with monsanto. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #85
That's been done with you. HuckleB Mar 2015 #86
ditto, huckleberry. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #88
To get a sense why the monarch butterflies are in decline, I called Lincoln Brower, a professor of ND-Dem Mar 2015 #9
So what's the alternative? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #11
The alternative to what? The scientist says that Roundup is the primary cause of Monarch ND-Dem Mar 2015 #13
I'll make it simple for you Major Nikon Mar 2015 #15
Is that 'simple"? You seem to be saying that without GM & Roundup, something *worse* for ND-Dem Mar 2015 #17
It works both ways Major Nikon Mar 2015 #21
first i want to make sure that that is indeed you argument. as for your pirate chart, it's ND-Dem Mar 2015 #22
I've already read everything you're parroting Major Nikon Mar 2015 #29
so you're not even going to tell me if that is indeed what your claim is, that if there weren't ND-Dem Mar 2015 #31
You have it exactly backwards Major Nikon Mar 2015 #39
No more misleading than your claim that corn production has 'skyrocketed,' especially ND-Dem Mar 2015 #41
Series? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #44
"Increased" doesn't = "Skyrocketed". And if it increased because a big corporation lobbied ND-Dem Mar 2015 #46
That seems like it's more to do with monocultural swaths of land Marr Mar 2015 #18
"Genetically engineered crops have increased food output exponentially" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #33
Fine, let us just say "greatly increased food production" then. Marr Mar 2015 #34
Well, I'd say you'd get an argument if you claim GM crops have "greatly increased food production". ND-Dem Mar 2015 #36
I think I'd win the argument. Norman Borlaug's work alone increased the output of Marr Mar 2015 #43
The Green Revolution was 40s-60s, which is what you're referring to. Borlaug didnt do ND-Dem Mar 2015 #45
Here's one work on the subject from a person with credentials. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #56
Hmm-- some interesting information there. Marr Mar 2015 #57
"Particularly the part about genetically modified crops being unavailable... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #60
Huh-- now I can't find it. It must've been in one of the Marr Mar 2015 #66
thanks. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #77
Hardly "destroyed". It said the only variety of GM that would cause a problem is one being phased ND-Dem Mar 2015 #10
Ad hominem, seriously? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #19
I don't think you understand the meaning of ad hominem. And I only looked at the first two ND-Dem Mar 2015 #35
So why did you even bother to bring it up in the first place? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #40
Why did I bother to bring *what* up? Pointing out that some scientists have interests that ND-Dem Mar 2015 #42
Something really green I bet... ananda Mar 2015 #6
Haha.. well played Hutzpa Mar 2015 #7
Must have eaten some Monsanto corns Hutzpa Mar 2015 #8
Evidence FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #12
so what was the evidence? i believe that was the original question. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #14
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Mar 2015 #20
Here you go. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #52
One picture is not evidence. FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #58
Bill Nye and I share something... Archae Mar 2015 #16
Wow......... Logical Mar 2015 #23
"Nova" is one of the better TV shows, always has been. Archae Mar 2015 #24
I did an eight grade oral report on the Bermuda Triangle. zappaman Mar 2015 #27
So true! nt Logical Mar 2015 #30
Do you also share a BS in Mechanical Engineering? That's the sum total of his science experience. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #47
It's better than... Archae Mar 2015 #49
Certainly. But it's not a degree that gives Nye any relevant qualification to judge the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #50
Tenuous Position ND ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #59
Certainly a BS in Engineering gives him the right to an opinion, and a general knowledge of ND-Dem Mar 2015 #61
Then We Still Disagree ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #63
I also have a science degree: at a higher level, and more relevant than nye's. i've done ND-Dem Mar 2015 #64
You keep making this claim, but you keep showing that you don't understand the issue at all. HuckleB Mar 2015 #68
where do you find these people? wingnuts funded by the kochs and monsanto ND-Dem Mar 2015 #89
Oh, brother. HuckleB Mar 2015 #96
If you want to use Koch & Monsanto-linked sources, be prepared to be called on it. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #98
You can connect almost anything to anything. HuckleB Mar 2015 #101
no, you owe *me* an apology. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #103
The lack of shame is astounding. HuckleB Mar 2015 #104
can't stand the heat, eh? your koch references don't hold up to scrutiny eh ND-Dem Mar 2015 #124
And? ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #69
someone can posit an opinion anytime they want. doesn't mean their opinion is ND-Dem Mar 2015 #90
"Do you also share a BS in Mechanical Engineering? That's the sum total of his science experience." NCTraveler Mar 2015 #106
No, it's the truth. A BS Eng. and some experience working at & consulting with ND-Dem Mar 2015 #112
Understood. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #121
They fed him Experiment #703? Rex Mar 2015 #25
Uh oh... GaltFreeDiet Mar 2015 #84
Movies are so cool. HuckleB Mar 2015 #87
Facts and evidence. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #26
I'm guessing it was scientific evidence. bravenak Mar 2015 #28
I would love to hear the evidence that changed Nye's mind booley Mar 2015 #32
Nye has a BS in Mechanical Engineering. He worked at Boeing after he graduated, before ND-Dem Mar 2015 #48
NYE is a science advocate booley Mar 2015 #71
If you follow the evidence... HuckleB Mar 2015 #72
Uhh are you sure about that? booley Mar 2015 #74
It appears that you don't understand the topic very well at all. HuckleB Mar 2015 #82
right, no one understands the topic very well except the guy who keeps putting ND-Dem Mar 2015 #91
Lots of people understand the topic. HuckleB Mar 2015 #97
ooh, 'despicable' eh? ironic. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #100
No irony. Reality. HuckleB Mar 2015 #102
This thread isn't about Vandana shiva, and you're the only one who brought her into it. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #114
A fat check perhaps ? CentralMass Mar 2015 #51
It's either cash, power or sex. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #53
Or, you know, evidence. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #65
They've been trying to assimilate him to the borg for awhile. I guess they were ND-Dem Mar 2015 #93
Um, I'm vegan and both eat and have no issues with GMOs. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #94
and do you eat organic as well? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #95
Not generally, because the label "organic" doesn't equate to healthier foods. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #107
bill nye thinks it does. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #108
Good for him, but I'm my own man and can make my own decisions based on the evidence. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #109
and him eating organic when organic is 'meaningless' doesn't bring his reliability ND-Dem Mar 2015 #111
I don't know why he eats organic. And frankly, I don't care. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #113
nye the scientist loves organics (which many of our resident DU scientists think = ND-Dem Mar 2015 #115
Again, I don't know why he eats organic foods. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #116
it's only a fallacy if you claim his inconsistency proves his position must be wrong. which ND-Dem Mar 2015 #118
I'm done here. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #119
bye ND-Dem Mar 2015 #120
Youse can have the check or youse can leave. Now youse can't leave Monk06 Mar 2015 #54
Interestingly, my guess was that Nye was vegetarian or vegan, because he has 'the look'. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55
Debate will continue until all results of putting these gene changes into the environment can be mmonk Mar 2015 #62
You have never advocated for "truth in labeling," just demonization via labeling. HuckleB Mar 2015 #70
How is it demonization? booley Mar 2015 #73
You don't? HuckleB Mar 2015 #81
easy... Monsatin converted him into a Genetically Modified Organism. Kip Humphrey Mar 2015 #75
What could account for such a change? That's some photo of employees with a faux Bill Bow Tie. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #76
So you think Bill is a big sucker! HuckleB Mar 2015 #83
Ha, ha. Not a big sucker, far from it. He seems like a person who knows just what he's doing. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #110
They've apparently been wooing him for some time. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #92
Proof he’s the Science Guy: Bill Nye is changing his mind about GMOs HuckleB Mar 2015 #99
The anti-GM lobby appears to be taking a page out of the Climategate playbook HuckleB Mar 2015 #105
... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #117
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