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greatlaurel

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13. This has been debunked so many ways and so many times. Blaming the victims of poverty never gets old

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 12:57 PM

Mar 2015

We never discuss the levels of divorce, single parenting and failure to pay child support from the upper classes. It is only the poor that are looked down upon for their problems with their relationships. We lay the blame for every societal ill on the working classes and the poor. It is just too easy to be on your high horse and blame them for their problems.

Poverty is a nightmare from which a few are lucky enough to escape. Poverty keeps the wealthy rich by creating a class of people from which the rich extract profits. Whether it is the credit card companies that make billions from the food stamp cards to the loansharks who operate the payday lenders, poverty makes them trillions in profits.

Let us stop blaming the impoverished for the problems they are struggling mightily to overcome while we say nothing about the real reasons they are trapped in poverty. I have a hint for you. The real reasons people are impoverished has nothing to do with having a couple of kids out of wedlock or not staying married to an abuser.

Wow, I cannot believe anyone believes this blame the victim garbage anymore.

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Totally agree with Kristoff article today - " When Liberals Blew It "- [View all] srican69 Mar 2015 OP

Hoo-boy! Are you gonna get it. TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #1

Single parent households are a reality. upaloopa Mar 2015 #2

seems like you didn't read the article. cali Mar 2015 #24

That sure is a popular DU retort! upaloopa Mar 2015 #30

It's a column well worth reading. hifiguy Mar 2015 #40

It's Just Not a Good Reality Upward Mar 2015 #63

But you have some of the craziest porn I've ever seen! Atman Mar 2015 #3

I am not so much against single parents as much as I am for delaying having kids srican69 Mar 2015 #29

And yet, half our government is opposed to birth control or abortion. Atman Mar 2015 #36

Birth Control is a big part of the solution ..as is Sex Ed. No brainer. srican69 Mar 2015 #38

And it wasn't the liberals that blew THAT! arcane1 Mar 2015 #79

The problem is that the safest childbearing years are 18-26 Warpy Mar 2015 #54

This ^^ RobinA Mar 2015 #74

Just curious... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #4

South Asian ...Indian to be specific. nt srican69 Mar 2015 #27

Well India has much different views on marraige, do they not? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #75

The Scandinavian countries put that theory to rest imo riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #5

It's a good article. And I think comparing Scandinavian countries to the U.S. is cali Mar 2015 #25

perhaps a little off, BUT DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #52

We only do the right thing... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #104

Don't agree that it was our welfare policies that caused it. betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #6

don't think this has to do with slavery strawberries Mar 2015 #44

Out of wedlock birth and participatory parenting cilla4progress Mar 2015 #56

Your post is from a right wing rag Frontpage mag. betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #61

Timed, in many ways, with the ramp-up of the War On (some) Drugs. arcane1 Mar 2015 #81

Moynihan was part of the advance guard of the neo-liberal/neo-conservative Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #7

Succinct timeline. nt bananas Mar 2015 #51

"Discourage"? How pray tell are we supposed to accomplish that? bluesbassman Mar 2015 #8

Perhaps the OP could have "discouraged" my ex-wife from having an affair, eventually creating... villager Mar 2015 #28

I think we sort of are accomplishing it strawberries Mar 2015 #49

So that would be because welfare was stingy, not because it was liberal betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #64

I would say yes to that nt strawberries Mar 2015 #65

Let me see if I have this straight... bluesbassman Mar 2015 #69

The System RobinA Mar 2015 #77

OK, so which is it? bluesbassman Mar 2015 #91

Bingo! Spazito Mar 2015 #78

Seems Krugman has already debunked this. Kristof, as usual, is awful with the facts. Chathamization Mar 2015 #9

And that's it. BOOM goes the dynamite, and Kristoff's halfassed analysis. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #15

That is absolute BS ..many people in Asia world are desparately poor/ unemployed and yet have srican69 Mar 2015 #22

I think the use of the word "values" is very telling. alarimer Mar 2015 #39

Hmmm, I found this article which spells out how India's marriage laws Spazito Mar 2015 #48

Are you in an arranged marriage? This is the custom, is it not? kwassa Mar 2015 #50

Then that also proves that marriage does nothing to relieve poverty or unemployment betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #66

+100 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #70

Can you spell out some of these values? arcane1 Mar 2015 #83

We need to have fewer children. That's the best route to take. randome Mar 2015 #10

How does a community "allow" that to happen? JaneyVee Mar 2015 #11

What we need is a social support network Kurska Mar 2015 #12

This has been debunked so many ways and so many times. Blaming the victims of poverty never gets old greatlaurel Mar 2015 #13

but having a couple kids that they cannot supports feeds that same vicious cycle of poverty. srican69 Mar 2015 #14

Maybe it is insulting and eugenic to ask poor people not to breed instead of raising their wages so betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #17

The prejudices of ethnic and class privilege are blinding you to how people become impoverished. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #37

Thanks to you & others for setting this RW spin straight, "unmarried women cause poverty" per appalachiablue Mar 2015 #92

+10 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #68

Because no one thinks rationally about the future. randome Mar 2015 #18

You're assuming this is a lifelong condition. procon Mar 2015 #33

What do you consider "not supporting" and what do you consider "best opportunities"? uponit7771 Mar 2015 #46

I think many times.... sendero Mar 2015 #67

Why are the "desparately poor" in Asia having kids they can't afford? arcane1 Mar 2015 #90

Indeed. If marriage is the solution why are there so many impoverished children in Asia? appalachiablue Mar 2015 #94

Because "values" or something. arcane1 Mar 2015 #96

That's it, values cure poverty, not money or jobs. Easy, problem fixed! appalachiablue Mar 2015 #98

And they're packed with calories and protein. arcane1 Mar 2015 #99

A breakfast bowl of values in the morning & you're good to go all day! appalachiablue Mar 2015 #101

I so agree with what you are saying - cilla4progress Mar 2015 #34

The reverasal of the Great Society has been a terrible tragedy. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #41

Hillary still needs to prove herself to me. cilla4progress Mar 2015 #57

Good, strong post. 100% in agreement. nt brush Mar 2015 #45

Thank you! greatlaurel Mar 2015 #47

+10 Thanks for the truth. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #71

So at the end of the day fuck facts and be racial hunh? Come on, progressives are better than this uponit7771 Mar 2015 #16

Or not: phantom power Mar 2015 #19

I tend to agree with Mr. Wilson. Take away poverty and you are more apt to have stable rhett o rick Mar 2015 #87

Here's where you went wrong: "I really feel the Republicans have a valid point" FSogol Mar 2015 #20

+1, when have they had anything valid in the last 3 years!?!? uponit7771 Mar 2015 #62

Like Republicans, you seem to support the concept of 'I got mine, screw you'. procon Mar 2015 #21

Read Ta'Nehisi Coates' article in the Atlantic on reparations and educate yourself brush Mar 2015 #23

I am in favor of some type of reparations but upaloopa Mar 2015 #26

How so? brush Mar 2015 #42

Basis for reparations (edited) upaloopa Mar 2015 #82

That's my point. We're on the same page. nt brush Mar 2015 #97

Yes upaloopa Mar 2015 #100

Much white post-WWII wealth comes from home ownership ... kwassa Mar 2015 #60

I need to get a copy for myself upaloopa Mar 2015 #89

You realize that "policies that discourage single parenting among minorities" would just be Marr Mar 2015 #31

They blew it on the other side of the equation: WOMEN daredtowork Mar 2015 #32

Republicans have a valid point? trumad Mar 2015 #35

This didn't make it into this video? Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #43

Why the fuck won't the GOP support a job bill? Why won't the GOP discourage racism instead of valerief Mar 2015 #53

Careful you don't get a nose bleed way up there on your high horse. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #55

So terribly sorry for your loss. I agree with your analysis completely. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #105

thank you for the kind words notadmblnd Mar 2015 #107

plus 100 Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #106

Might as well blame gangsta rap as well madville Mar 2015 #58

Maybe breeding slaves like livestock broke down the family unit Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #59

+10 Courageous post Re the ugly, brutal truth & reality appalachiablue Mar 2015 #73

What kind of policies do you have in mind and are you also sure you are not TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #72

+1 bravenak Mar 2015 #76

No response <shakes head> TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #102

The point was to talk about black men not with them. bravenak Mar 2015 #103

What horseshit. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #80

We need great access to birth control. gollygee Mar 2015 #84

Wait, "discourage single parenting among minorities". abelenkpe Mar 2015 #85

(1) We need to have a justice system that doesn't lock up so many minority men. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #86

I don't agree with your OP but I appreciate you posting it to stimulate rhett o rick Mar 2015 #88

Perhaps, the question was inartfully struck; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #93

And foster care is better if a kid has the misfortune of a single mother? nt alp227 Mar 2015 #95