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gregcrawford

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126. Until a thorough investigation is completed...

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:40 PM

Mar 2015

... ANY scenario is "pure speculation." Right now, this possibility is no less plausible than any other. Violent agent provocateurs have been employed many times, and not just by Hitler's minions. J. Edgar's boys did it countless times to gin up fear and fury against "subversives," AKA people and groups he didn't like, which was pretty much everyone.

And don't think for a second that hard-core lunatics out there wouldn't do such a thing; they most certainly would, and they wouldn't have to be a Hollywood-caliber marksman to make the shot, either. I'm a Liberal down to my DNA, but I'm also an expert marksman, so I know whereof I speak.

When the slugs are recovered, they will know whether a handgun was used, or a rifle. If it was a long gun, then a sniper firing from some distance becomes a real possibility. I wouldn't dismiss this theory out of hand just yet.

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I'm gonna say it: I think cops could have been shot by RW agitators [View all] blm Mar 2015 OP

Unrec for pure speculation. FSogol Mar 2015 #1

Agree. nt cwydro Mar 2015 #2

It clearly says "I think" and "could have been" blm Mar 2015 #5

"I think" it "could have been" Donald Duck. See legitimate back up links below: FSogol Mar 2015 #14

Can you admit that the top cop-killers today are RW extremists? blm Mar 2015 #17

If you think most cops are killed by RW extremists you're not looking living in reality davidsilver Mar 2015 #432

The criminals aren't TARGETING the LEO's as prey. RW extremists are. blm Mar 2015 #441

Yeah, but it wasn't Donald Duck or African Americans who had their sights on LEOs at the Bundy ranch notadmblnd Mar 2015 #145

Context matters, though. Adrahil Mar 2015 #428

it certainly appears to have inflamed you and a couple of other here. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #436

Wish I could remember Duval Mar 2015 #152

Of course it�s only specularion.. busterbrown Mar 2015 #52

I didn't report anything, but other than that, you are correct. The OP expressed himself and so did FSogol Mar 2015 #63

I stated �you didn�t report anything" busterbrown Mar 2015 #78

Reasonable Roy Rolling Mar 2015 #460

They are welcome to present counter studies and reports to back up their attack. blm Mar 2015 #69

Requesting further help on 'greatest threat' assertion chknltl Mar 2015 #229

DHS Report. Police chiefs based their article and current training guidelines on it, too. blm Mar 2015 #243

Heading to dig there now, thanks again blm. n/t chknltl Mar 2015 #244

fas link: http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf blm Mar 2015 #246

Having tech issues here... chknltl Mar 2015 #317

^^^This x 1000^^^ BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #80

They also do it here. Rex Mar 2015 #101

I've noticed. It's not beneath them to lie and cheat in order to further their BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #179

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #350

right on, Rex SCantiGOP Mar 2015 #469

I think too the ability to hide behind a wall of anonymity helps bolster some Rex Mar 2015 #473

Yes, to your last sentence. It's not like we are forming domestic US policy here, lol. closeupready Mar 2015 #475

Reckless I tells you! Every word we write here effects entire civilzations! Rex Mar 2015 #476

I also considered the possibility. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #349

yep 840high Mar 2015 #82

There would be no such speculation about cops IF they had not earned the distrust of the people sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #89

The fact that that police department sucks has nothing to do with the speculation exhibited in FSogol Mar 2015 #106

And the fact that the cops tried to tie the incident to the protesters immediately sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #120

Not true. I agree that the shots didn't come from the protesters. My opinion is not based on FSogol Mar 2015 #129

Right Wing groups and cops are natural allies. Many cops belong to these groups. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #148

I don't understand why you are preaching this to me. I said skip the speculation let's get some FSogol Mar 2015 #160

You admonished the OP for speculating. People responded to your admonishment sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #175

Here's some speculation: was the original investigation into Mike Brown's extra-judicial execution KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #241

Yes, you make a very good point davidsilver Mar 2015 #435

I don't think most cops are aligned with RW extremists as much blm Mar 2015 #459

I didn't blame - I said it COULD HAVE HAPPENED and based blm Mar 2015 #360

There was a time when you wouldn't see that kind of speculation, people have wised up NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #122

I don't think anyone believes the protesters were responsible for the shootings. n/t FSogol Mar 2015 #131

Well if it was a sniper, he wasn't a good shot. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #155

I agree with your last sentence. A good sniper would be able to do that. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #163

one would think that seriously injured officers would spend more than several hours in the hospital notadmblnd Mar 2015 #169

Yes, exactly. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #477

well, how long would they stay based on the reported injuries? CreekDog Mar 2015 #478

Again, one would think that SERIOUSLY injured officers would spend more than several hours notadmblnd Mar 2015 #481

The round entered his head just under his right eye pintobean Mar 2015 #190

Both of them are out of the hospital. I repeated what news reports sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #207

"civilians are shot and killed on an alarmingly frequent basis in this country" pintobean Mar 2015 #251

Oh, you are talking about regular criminals who murder people every day. I was talking about those sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #337

Unrec... Rex Mar 2015 #121

So, what you are saying is that public playgrounds shouldn't have see-saws.... FSogol Mar 2015 #171

Exactly! Rex Mar 2015 #202

Until a thorough investigation is completed... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #126

UPDATE gregcrawford Mar 2015 #214

Thanks for the perspective. blm Mar 2015 #365

ADL report includes a graphic chart on increased targeting of LEO blm Mar 2015 #266

That chart is fucked up. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #417

not counting Las Vegas, Penn, Florida and Texas. blm Mar 2015 #418

Typical ADL BS. davidsilver Mar 2015 #439

What's wrong with pure speculation when you are speculating? Isn't that done quite a lot on DU? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #146

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #340

Studies don't call them Republicans, either. Nor did I. blm Mar 2015 #345

Thing is liberalmike27 Mar 2015 #472

I love the 'sniper' meme B2G Mar 2015 #3

Police chiefs agree that RW extremists are the greatest threat to their personal safety. blm Mar 2015 #8

I just read the entire article at your police chief mag link and could find virgogal Mar 2015 #143

hich I think, would require a degree of accuracy not common to the ordinary protester. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #51

Texas sharpshooter fallacy jberryhill Mar 2015 #74

And yet, that is exactly what protesters, eye witnesses were tweeting last night. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #157

Exactly....I believe we all can agree this is what happened. ileus Mar 2015 #4

Maybe not exactly, but, definitely could have been. blm Mar 2015 #18

Okay then. This is our reality. pintobean Mar 2015 #42

We went there with the Boston Bombing and looked like fools. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #6

I didn't go there. Save the 'we' for those who did. My basis is police chief report. blm Mar 2015 #12

Sniper shooting by definition, if the shooter(s) not close by. I agree. This isn't a meme, just leveymg Mar 2015 #7

The OP isn't really about snipers. It's about Right Wingers. Bonx Mar 2015 #11

It's about the possibility of RW snipers. leveymg Mar 2015 #13

Sure, could be. Could be ISIS too. 7962 Mar 2015 #166

FBI and DHS put RW extremists ahead of ISIS as actual threats here. blm Mar 2015 #183

Yep. Could have been the ghost of Jesse James. Too early to rule anything out. Bonx Mar 2015 #185

Eye witness reported the source as "500 feet away up the hill." There was another report that leveymg Mar 2015 #200

Thanks - and here's the FAS link to DHS report being questioned: blm Mar 2015 #249

MSNBC just reported "muzzle flashes seen 100 to 200 yards away up the hill." leveymg Mar 2015 #272

Graphic chart from ADL on increase in cop shootings by RW blm Mar 2015 #275

You probably nailed it on the macro level. leveymg Mar 2015 #278

'ambush' is exactly what has been happening to LEO's - blm Mar 2015 #285

This appears to have been a sniper attack, not an ambush. See my comments #284 below. leveymg Mar 2015 #287

Yes, I just didn't see it as an impetuous act of a protestor blm Mar 2015 #294

The distance and accuracy indicates it was rifle(s), probably with scope(s). leveymg Mar 2015 #297

It wasn't a rifle. Probably a pistol caliber carbine. sir pball Mar 2015 #325

It struck me as a planned shot - blm Mar 2015 #329

Oh, it was absolutely planned, agree 100% sir pball Mar 2015 #336

Glad to hear your perspective... blm Mar 2015 #338

At this point I'd like to know the caliber of the shots fired & if they can tell the type weapon 7962 Mar 2015 #276

I agree on all that. leveymg Mar 2015 #284

I think some people have a tendency to want to blame the opposition cali Mar 2015 #9

Recent police chief report says RW extremist are the GREATEST threat facing officers today. blm Mar 2015 #15

are you confused? that is decidedly NOT evidence for your CT theory. Your post belongs in cali Mar 2015 #57

So, according to you, good investigators would immediately strike down blm Mar 2015 #79

uh no. I said nothing of the sort. and you sure as shit wouldn't make a decent investigator cali Mar 2015 #99

No - I clearly stated that it COULD HAVE BEEN - blm Mar 2015 #118

Wow. lol - your authoritarian bias is really strong in this thread. blm did NOT make a decision closeupready Mar 2015 #127

If by Logic 101 you mean Logical Fallacies 101, then you're right. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #130

What are you, her mother? Cali can respond to my post as she sees fit. As for you, closeupready Mar 2015 #133

No, just someone who's familiar enough with her posting history NuclearDem Mar 2015 #135

I have 3x your post volume and 6 years on membership here at DU. Thus, I know better closeupready Mar 2015 #137

I don't particularly care for e-penis waving. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #138

Thanks for THAT mental picture! That was a good laugh, N.D. 7962 Mar 2015 #279

then you damned well know better than to make that accusation. repugnant to make false claims. cali Mar 2015 #144

There is something terribly wrong with your reading comprehension then. cui bono Mar 2015 #424

Great. Thanks for your post. Welcome to my ignore list. closeupready Mar 2015 #468

you're familiar enough with my posts to know that sticking up for the authorities cali Mar 2015 #142

and you concluded that my consideration blm Mar 2015 #221

His thinking is 100% logical! I am a professional logician, and can attest to that fact. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #182

lol. no, it's my bias against thories that are devised to fit preferred narratives. cali Mar 2015 #139

I see. So attempts to instigate race wars has never happened in your universe? closeupready Mar 2015 #161

'preferred' narratives or considered narratives based on DHS report? blm Mar 2015 #225

That's EXACTLY WHY he is speculating! Did he say he KNOWS it was a RWer? NO. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #173

Where is the report that says that they are the GREATEST threat? virgogal Mar 2015 #320

Ya know�. blm Mar 2015 #328

Speculation doesn't require evidence. And I find nothing wrong with his speculation. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #168

Off-hand I doubt it. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #10

And your suspicion could be correct. I gave a base for my suspicion blm Mar 2015 #40

You mean his speculation, right? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #186

The Black Bloc is mainly into property damage starroute Mar 2015 #47

snipers + protestors...where have i heard that before...??? nashville_brook Mar 2015 #479

Were the two cops wounded by broken glass and spraypaint? stone space Mar 2015 #84

agreed JawJaw Mar 2015 #16

Ridiculous. Beausoir Mar 2015 #19

Who did DHS and police chiefs group name as their TOP threats? blm Mar 2015 #39

I can't believe you think that's evidence for your little theory. It ain't. not close. cali Mar 2015 #61

So FBI agents and investigators should immediately cross extremists off the list blm Mar 2015 #96

one more time, blm: I never said any such thing. pathetic attempt to shy away from producing cali Mar 2015 #102

They're in the DHS report the articles are referring to. blm Mar 2015 #125

Some cops are killed by RW extremists, NuclearDem Mar 2015 #128

No one said that, but you. blm Mar 2015 #132

That's what you're implying. phil89 Mar 2015 #346

LOL - Apparently, she hasn't. blm Mar 2015 #352

. Rex Mar 2015 #224

I didn't tell you to roll over. Bad Rex! NuclearDem Mar 2015 #227

Sorry but your weak attempt at a reply left me laughing so hard I fell down! Rex Mar 2015 #234

Someone on this thread is having some kind of breakdown. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #188

in your world heaven05 Mar 2015 #158

Where is this sniper on a hill coming from? B2G Mar 2015 #20

He's not coming from a hill, he's coming from a grassy knoll, silly./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #21

Lol. I've actually been waitng for that. nt B2G Mar 2015 #23

You may think that's hilarious, but, my suspicion is in line with police chiefs' report. blm Mar 2015 #25

Well, if your theory is proven correct I will apologize./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #26

I'm basing it on statistics gathered by DHS and police chiefs. Whether it proves blm Mar 2015 #31

no. it is not in line with that report. cali Mar 2015 #66

Geez - last month's summit on terrorism included domestic terrorism. blm Mar 2015 #115

you're doing just fine heaven05 Mar 2015 #170

I didn't say they did it - I inserted the possibility blm Mar 2015 #180

exactly heaven05 Mar 2015 #319

are all these attacks heaven05 Mar 2015 #164

There are many here who think the purpose of a discussion site is to "mock" villager Mar 2015 #97

I give you a +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #191

I thought it was from that book suppository building? VScott Mar 2015 #34

Suppository! cwydro Mar 2015 #44

Yep, and it was from pretty far VScott Mar 2015 #53

I first heard 'hill' on morning news - I changed it to some distance blm Mar 2015 #22

A more likely scenario is that B2G Mar 2015 #24

What is wild about the statistics from DHS and police chiefs? blm Mar 2015 #27

please provide those statistics. And it's wild speculation because you have NO evidence. cali Mar 2015 #68

I didn't say there was evidence on this killing - I referred to studies blm Mar 2015 #198

We often refer to our own speculation as "more likely"... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #56

Most of the damn fools I know are RWers. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #193

link: JawJaw Mar 2015 #41

There's no link. nt B2G Mar 2015 #55

apologies JawJaw Mar 2015 #75

Probably a redneck with an AR/AK nt Matrosov Mar 2015 #28

The police are reporting they think the shooter used a handgun. Glassunion Mar 2015 #43

He must have good aim Matrosov Mar 2015 #65

How good does your aim have to be in order to shoot into a crowd and hit someone in the crowd? jberryhill Mar 2015 #85

It would be the unlucky lottery Glassunion Mar 2015 #242

This assumes the shooter was attempting to hit someone in the first place jberryhill Mar 2015 #292

True Glassunion Mar 2015 #307

That's straight up jberryhill Mar 2015 #342

Sir Pball is most likely correct. Glassunion Mar 2015 #363

I appreciate the additional perspective... blm Mar 2015 #380

Pretty good if shooting with a handgun at +100 yards Matrosov Mar 2015 #286

The problem is that we do not know what the shooter was attempting to accomplish jberryhill Mar 2015 #293

Handgun caliber carbine, most likely. sir pball Mar 2015 #326

That's exactly what I was thinking. Glassunion Mar 2015 #358

Yep. sir pball Mar 2015 #366

I'm still thinking that it's a R'winger. Glassunion Mar 2015 #368

I totally agree. sir pball Mar 2015 #371

Don't forget that dude here in PA with the deer rifle. Glassunion Mar 2015 #373

Was he a winger? sir pball Mar 2015 #376

Yes, he was - and used the ambush style. Laid in wait. blm Mar 2015 #381

That's core to the entire winger mentality. sir pball Mar 2015 #385

Yeah. Glassunion Mar 2015 #415

I think that would be a convenient thing to believe to fit the narrative we all want. Kurska Mar 2015 #29

I offered the prospect on the STATISTICS used by DHS and police chiefs blm Mar 2015 #46

And that doesn't prove anything about who did it this time. Kurska Mar 2015 #49

First - I didn't say it's already proven. I offered the possibility based on DHS stats blm Mar 2015 #88

It is also possible they were shot by ISIS or North Korean infiltrators. Kurska Mar 2015 #92

Were ISIS and NK infiltrators ahead of US extremists DHS' list of copkillers? blm Mar 2015 #123

How far behind RW extremist was number 2? and three? nt hack89 Mar 2015 #302

Here's a link to study you might be interested in�. blm Mar 2015 #367

It says nothing about threats to police hack89 Mar 2015 #369

Reports I've been seeing consistently point directly at anti-government crowd. blm Mar 2015 #386

What group(s) are actually shooting police? hack89 Mar 2015 #390

RW extremists operating as individuals or lone wolves. blm Mar 2015 #393

You have posted nothing on RW terrorist actually shooting cops hack89 Mar 2015 #395

Bill Moyers Aug2014: blm Mar 2015 #399

So a very small percentage of cop killings involved domestic terrorists hack89 Mar 2015 #402

there aren't that many cop shootings and cop killings�. blm Mar 2015 #403

One out of fifty annually according to your post hack89 Mar 2015 #406

It's increased in recent years. blm Mar 2015 #407

Common criminals kill more cops than any other group hack89 Mar 2015 #411

Common criminals are not HUNTING the cops they encounter. blm Mar 2015 #412

That is a meaningless question hack89 Mar 2015 #413

No - I said there have been more recently - and the numbers Moyers blm Mar 2015 #414

You said there have been more but you refuse to provide any evidence or numbers hack89 Mar 2015 #416

Go look them up, Las Vegas, Texas, Penn, Florida - You're just effin around at this point. blm Mar 2015 #419

Your claim. Your burden of proof. hack89 Mar 2015 #425

Then you are not reading the links and haven't watched news in the past year. blm Mar 2015 #431

You provided the links demonstrating how rarely RW terrorists shoot cops. hack89 Mar 2015 #433

They are the only ones TARGETING LEO's. blm Mar 2015 #443

You want to ignore the vast majority of cop killings hack89 Mar 2015 #450

Baloney. Situational shootings and TARGETED shootings aren't the same and blm Mar 2015 #452

Dead is dead. Split hairs all you want but terrorists are the least of a cops daily threats. nt hack89 Mar 2015 #453

From your link Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #461

and then Texas, Florida and Pennsylvania ambushes happened soon after... blm Mar 2015 #462

Please link these ambushes you keep speaking of. Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #464

Seriously? blm Mar 2015 #465

uh, no STATISTICS there. far from it. cali Mar 2015 #71

DHS Report on domestic terrorism, cali. Ever heard of it? blm Mar 2015 #134

no statics there either Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #149

Pretty sure I posted links... blm Mar 2015 #189

Look Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #238

DHS Report. blm Mar 2015 #245

It does not say they are the number one threat. hack89 Mar 2015 #303

that was the 2009 report that was the original basis�. blm Mar 2015 #318

No statistics Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #370

precisely. I hate that shit. cali Mar 2015 #70

I would not doubt that. n/t Jamastiene Mar 2015 #30

I think it was the Semiconscious Liberation Army Codeine Mar 2015 #32

I'll wait for the facts. romanic Mar 2015 #33

gun nuts going nuts with guns mwrguy Mar 2015 #35

I don't know, but is it possible - well in Nevada last year, those two were far right-wing agitators closeupready Mar 2015 #36

They are also dismissing the reports of DHS and police chief groups blm Mar 2015 #59

Don't worry - most of those who've chimed in with one-liners are the same ones closeupready Mar 2015 #93

my first thought Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #37

That was my first thought as well.... chillfactor Mar 2015 #38

the rw is clearly at fault and they could have done this to increase gun sales samsingh Mar 2015 #45

Honestly - packman Mar 2015 #48

JURY RESULTS: A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #50

Jury gets another one wrong, as an anonymous "please!" is quite persuasive. closeupready Mar 2015 #54

A lot of effort went into that alert. pintobean Mar 2015 #58

A lot of work went into that alert, please! FSogol Mar 2015 #64

I'm alerting on this. pintobean Mar 2015 #77

You'll have to wait your turn, I suspect. Thanks though, I find the hide funny. FSogol Mar 2015 #86

Incredibly stupid alert. LOTS of that going around. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #113

ALERT ABUSE. Someone wants DU to shut up off all conversation except official announcements. leveymg Mar 2015 #295

Creative speculation. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #60

You can bet the FBI is "creatively speculating" too. That's their job. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #199

Let's hope they use the appropriate forum (creative speculation) for such tasks. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #404

4 out of 5 weak, timid minds agree. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #62

Oh dear. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #67

It's speculation. Having said that, rightwingers are generally quicker to resort to violence to try GoneFishin Mar 2015 #72

Or maybe it was the cops who shot their own to make the protesters look bad. cali Mar 2015 #73

It was the cops, but as fake as the moon landing. pintobean Mar 2015 #83

So cops are a bigger danger to cops than sovereign citizens or ISIS? Talk about absurd logic. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #204

Cops should at least be open to this possibility... perdita9 Mar 2015 #76

You WANT it be by a RW agitators because it fits your bias Lurks Often Mar 2015 #81

yep, yep, yep. I have a particular disdain for that shit. cali Mar 2015 #91

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for an apology post if he is wrong Lurks Often Mar 2015 #95

Why? DHS, FBI, and police groups have RW extremists at top of list blm Mar 2015 #153

Oh, it's a false conclusion and will be proven so. Beausoir Mar 2015 #177

It wasn't a conclusion - I said I think it COULD HAVE BEEN blm Mar 2015 #235

He can't be wrong - he said it was a possibility and it surely is! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #208

A few people are having a meltdown in this very thread! Rex Mar 2015 #212

It is quite shocking! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #218

"all the posters ... I learned long ago to ignore." Yes. Same here. closeupready Mar 2015 #230

Yes thankfully we live in America. Rex Mar 2015 #236

So, what you're saying is: Nothng to see here. Move along?' Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #103

I so love the wild speculation without facts here Lurks Often Mar 2015 #110

Strike off first suspect on list of threats to law enforcement as speculation. blm Mar 2015 #194

More noise. If you are wrong, are you going to post an apology? Lurks Often Mar 2015 #206

Why? I didn't declare them guilty - I considered the possibility based on blm Mar 2015 #209

Speculation DOES NOT REQUIRE FACTS! Jeebus!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #210

Nope - RW extremists are on top of FBI, DHS and police chief lists. blm Mar 2015 #141

Like many here did for the Boston Marathon bombings. Throd Mar 2015 #159

I remember that too. Me I'll wait for some more facts as well Lurks Often Mar 2015 #237

FBI considered use of snipers for some reason during Occupy. Octafish Mar 2015 #87

Those are the most authentic-looking docs I have ever seen. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #90

They're from the FBI. Octafish Mar 2015 #100

Of course they are. That's why they look so authentic. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #112

Yeah, that's not what those documents said. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #98

No? What do they say, then? Octafish Mar 2015 #104

That the FBI had information on someone planning to engage in sniper attacks against OWS. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #114

Stand by...new CT loading...nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #136

As opposed to finding information to refute? Octafish Mar 2015 #196

HA! Goodluck with that! Rex Mar 2015 #205

The hypocrisy is a tell. Octafish Mar 2015 #219

Oh I know and everyone sees it, not like it is hard to notice. Rex Mar 2015 #232

From the Congressional Record: Octafish Mar 2015 #239

Arguing a CTer is like pushing on a string. No point to it. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #291

I don't know why I bother to be nice to you. Octafish Mar 2015 #314

Where would he get that idea? Octafish Mar 2015 #195

Actually, those are members of the Massachusetts National Guard's WMD-CST. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #213

MNG. Octafish Mar 2015 #216

What, that's it? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #222

Now you're posting Alex Jones bullshit? zappaman Mar 2015 #260

No. It's from Imgur. Octafish Mar 2015 #310

I'll stick to the facts. zappaman Mar 2015 #324

I didn't post anything from Alex Jones, zappaman. You did. Octafish Mar 2015 #327

Actually you did as I showed. zappaman Mar 2015 #333

Not at all. Why does that photo bother you so much? Octafish Mar 2015 #344

I know you don't care if you post bullshit. zappaman Mar 2015 #347

Alex Jones? Skeptical Libertarian? zappaman, why? Octafish Mar 2015 #359

Sorry I showed your Boston Bombing false flag theory to be bullshit. zappaman Mar 2015 #364

Why attack me, zappaman? They're your links and sources. Octafish Mar 2015 #372

No problem. You never admit when you're wrong. zappaman Mar 2015 #375

Except the picture is from Imgur. Octafish Mar 2015 #396

Except it originated with info wars which you are pretending not to know. zappaman Mar 2015 #398

You seem to really know your way around the antisemitic hateosphere. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #409

Can you point out where in that memo it says zappaman Mar 2015 #263

Somehow in all of this FBI evilness they still manage to release an incriminating doc IMMEDIATELY Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #299

Last I heard, a Federal judge ordered FBI to release more info. Octafish Mar 2015 #313

So the memo doesn't say what you said it said. zappaman Mar 2015 #316

Wow, you realize that article does in no way confirm your spin of an FBI plot. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #331

Of course it doesn't. zappaman Mar 2015 #334

LOL! I see the Flat Earth Society chimed in about the horrors of you having an opinion! Rex Mar 2015 #94

Opine away, but if you don't provide any evidence for a theory, you're gonna get shit. cali Mar 2015 #105

Oh I will! I won't let some authoritarians tell me what I can and cannot do on this site. Rex Mar 2015 #119

no one has told you any such thing. I have a particular bias against people trying to cali Mar 2015 #147

Nope I said I would NOT do what you are doing. Read it again. Rex Mar 2015 #203

Theorizing and speculating are 2 very distinct things. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #215

DHS Report, cali blm Mar 2015 #250

My husband just said the same thing - about 10 minutes ago. calimary Mar 2015 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author GoneFishin Mar 2015 #217

Yep. I don't mind admitting to speculation. My basis is knowledge of the personalities involved and GoneFishin Mar 2015 #220

I totally agree with you. calimary Mar 2015 #305

Yes. The concept of honesty and fair play is foreign to them, or they consider it to be a weakness GoneFishin Mar 2015 #308

It seems that wondering about the possibility would be considered normal. blm Mar 2015 #312

You keep rattling on about statistics supporting your, uh, theory, but won't post them. cali Mar 2015 #108

He never said it was a theory - give it up! You are being very disingenuous. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #223

I have to admit . . . that very thing crossed my mind. Vinca Mar 2015 #109

Your post, I can still see it LOL I remember someone who suggested the cops started the fires NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #111

When the perps are caught and turn out to be common criminals... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #116

very possible. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #117

And whose head here didn't the thought pop into? A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #124

Like I said. My first thought was "KKK". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #140

It is not beyond possibility. Duval Mar 2015 #150

First thought I had. jillan Mar 2015 #151

It's a valid possibility AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #154

I can see an anarchist doing it also, along with an angry person who hates cops still_one Mar 2015 #162

Also very true AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #197

Nope. Speculation is unwise in these incidents. still_one Mar 2015 #156

Why? Unwise for who? Speculation is the same as wondering. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #228

It's not exactly wildly speculative, still�. blm Mar 2015 #253

Such speculation serves no positive purpose! Sad Cryptoad Mar 2015 #165

"Shooters are punks trying to sew discord in the community." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #167

I'll needle to see a citation for that. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #172

It was his contemporaneous remarks that I did my best to transcribe at approximately 11:10 A.M. PST DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #176

I was just kiddin you about the sew/sow. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #178

I saw what I did./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #181

Who would have more motivation to sow discord? African Americans or disgruntled right wingers? notadmblnd Mar 2015 #174

Could be - certainly possible blm Mar 2015 #192

Confirmation bias? ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #184

No. I have posted about the DHS report here the last few years. blm Mar 2015 #211

You misunderstand. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #226

I am saying, "No, I am not." I am saying that it could have been based on blm Mar 2015 #231

It could also have been Elmer Fudd. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #300

Were there recent reports issued on Elmer Fudd targeting law enforcement? blm Mar 2015 #301

That's not evidence, unfortunately. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #311

I never claimed there was evidence. I never made any claim to KNOW what happened. blm Mar 2015 #323

I resent irresponsible speculation about very serious matters, particularly when they're nearby. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #330

My concerns are no different than law enforcement's. There was nothing irresponsible in the blm Mar 2015 #335

The law enforcement actually INVOLVED in the investigation has alluded to nothing of the sort. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #341

Why would they? You really believe that not one of them blm Mar 2015 #343

I suspect that while they considered many possibilities, they had the good sense not to speculate. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #353

I know what I've been reading in various government reports and blm Mar 2015 #354

So, you admit you know bupkess about this particular crime? ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #357

Why would you have to know about THIS crime only to blm Mar 2015 #361

"�pose the greatest threat to their communities�." blm Mar 2015 #362

Because it WASN'T reasoned, that's why. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #374

I have been reading these reports for decades. blm Mar 2015 #377

It was irresponsible, because you had exactly ZERO evidence that RW-ers were involved. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #379

Didn't claim I had the evidence. I clearly based my post on current LEO concerns blm Mar 2015 #382

How well you do parse! ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #384

So you see the words "think" and "COULD HAVE BEEN" blm Mar 2015 #388

I did nothing of the sort. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #389

LOLOL - blm Mar 2015 #391

You shouldn't be comfortable saying it ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #426

I never said that area was a hotbed of RW extremism. blm Mar 2015 #430

I'll move on when I damn well feel like it, thank you very much. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #440

There is nothing ignorant about it, you know it, and can't stand that blm Mar 2015 #444

Your irresponsible, ignorant post is an insult to the purpose of DU. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #445

Then alert on the OP and take it down. blm Mar 2015 #448

No, thanks. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #456

Too many thick heads in this thread. Might as well move on before my head explodes. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #233

FAS link on DHS Report: blm Mar 2015 #247

Oh, I'm very familiar with the report. But I'll look again, thanks. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #255

Graphic here on RW's increased targeting of police. blm Mar 2015 #262

Here you go! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #264

Thank you - deserves its own thread. blm Mar 2015 #277

Not a lot of Rocket Scientist makeup in this crew! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #283

Pretty amazing sight blm Mar 2015 #289

Now if only cali was interested enough to read it, but her mind seems closed on the issue. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #259

Interesting, that - she comes in, creates drama and noise, demanding statistics and facts, closeupready Mar 2015 #267

She seems to "protesteth too mucheth". Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #269

I'm gonna say it: I think the shooter was one of the ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #187

My money is on the Illuminati, aliens and the Masons Lurks Often Mar 2015 #240

Though I doubt it, I wouldn't put anything past them marym625 Mar 2015 #201

Well if there was some report that said that rw extremists are are a threat to police DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #248

No. Why would anyone use the word 'all' based on the findings of DHS report? blm Mar 2015 #252

Oh, so the report just says RW extremists are guilty of this particular shooting? DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #254

Who has claimed that about this shooting? blm Mar 2015 #256

Oh, so you're not actually claiming that RW extremists did this shooting? What is the point DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #265

Wow - stick to flailing at the straw men you create. blm Mar 2015 #296

Obviously you are trying to avoid answering my questions with your red herring. DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #309

No - I don't agree with 'all this' you wrote. blm Mar 2015 #321

A report from 2009 from DHS is in no was relevant to a single shooting today. DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #351

LOL - Apparently you didn't bother to read blm Mar 2015 #356

LOL. If all you could respond to from my post was one cherry picked word you have lost DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #383

Wow. That's how you see it, huh? blm Mar 2015 #392

Really odd logic. Why don't you go have an ice cream cone or something? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #261

2010: 'Christian warrior' militia accused in plot to kill police Octafish Mar 2015 #483

It's a good bet. Klansman with a high-powered & scoped hunting rifle. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #257

Released from the hospital hours after getting shot in the face with a high-powered rifle? LOL DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #270

It's part of the plot GusBob Mar 2015 #273

The victims have been released from hospital, shell casings recovered GusBob Mar 2015 #258

I do wonder malaise Mar 2015 #268

Certainly possible. moondust Mar 2015 #271

Why don't we wait to see the evidence? LittleBlue Mar 2015 #274

"Why don't we wait" ... to what, have discussion on a discussion board? Reasonable. closeupready Mar 2015 #281

This is a conspiracy theory LittleBlue Mar 2015 #282

Disagree. Conspiracies, by definition, posit participation of more than one participant. closeupready Mar 2015 #288

The consideration of the possibility is based on REAL law enforcement concerns not theory... blm Mar 2015 #290

No, I didn't. My post is considering the possibility based on REAL law enforcement concerns. blm Mar 2015 #298

I like the fact that you don't take any of their bait and keep posting what you base your opinion on Rex Mar 2015 #306

I never had to battle so many straw men here. blm Mar 2015 #322

And isn't it interesting that so many of them carry exactly the same tone. canoeist52 Mar 2015 #442

Fucking BFEE is everywhere, man...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #280

A race war? kentuck Mar 2015 #304

BBC: "heinous assault" that could undermine police reforms moondust Mar 2015 #315

Makes sense to me. MuttLikeMe Mar 2015 #332

Oh boy is this thread getting bookmarked AngryAmish Mar 2015 #339

I think you might be on to something. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #348

And it is a TWO FER for the likely white supermacists who did the shooting, put blame on AfAm AND NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #355

It is sad watching DUers defend RWing extremists. Rex Mar 2015 #378

Who the hell is defending rightwing extremists? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #394

I don't think they're defending RW extremist - I think they want blm Mar 2015 #400

The ones that disagree with you do for sure. Rex Mar 2015 #421

I got to say, any number of things could have happened and I have no clue TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #387

Thank you! I am suspicious too, though will wait for all facts. Anansi1171 Mar 2015 #397

Yeah - I saw that piece at SPLC a while back. blm Mar 2015 #401

It's totally a possibility and why can't we talk about it? We should just think it and not say a Cha Mar 2015 #405

I've noticed an uptick on the RW sites making claims about Obama blm Mar 2015 #410

Is there any evidence for it? Adrahil Mar 2015 #427

I backed up why it deserves consideration blm Mar 2015 #434

Sorry... sounds like the same kind of "false flag" stuff the freepers are always advancing. Adrahil Mar 2015 #463

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Look at how many views you have already.. 6284! Somebodies are interested.. Cha Mar 2015 #420

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It's a good thing nobody expects Republican fundamentalist groups Rex Mar 2015 #422

First thing hubby said when he heard about it appleannie1 Mar 2015 #429

Many DUers are saying they thought the same - Which is why I find blm Mar 2015 #437

Why were they protesting the night the officers were shot? The police chief had just resigned and B Calm Mar 2015 #438

Some were protesting for complete change, most were celebrating. blm Mar 2015 #447

Soon as I heard about the shooting, I thought it had to be a right-wing extremist stirring up hatred B Calm Mar 2015 #451

Well, more than the deniers here want to admit. blm Mar 2015 #454

On CNN a few minutes ago one of the guests suggested that the shooter could have been malaise Mar 2015 #446

Thanks for the update. blm Mar 2015 #449

Snort ... yeah, how about that? lol So funny - this thread is comedy gold closeupready Mar 2015 #466

grazie blm Mar 2015 #467

There have been such things as "agents provacateurs" before in history... CTyankee Mar 2015 #455

The big picture.. Tara491 Mar 2015 #457

post = paranoid delusion SCantiGOP Mar 2015 #458

How do we know the Police didn't shoot themselves ? Bonx Mar 2015 #470

You can unrec this and blast blm for speculation matt819 Mar 2015 #471

DUers are doing a smash up job pushing back against, IMO asiliveandbreathe Mar 2015 #474

hold your breath, maybe eric holder will swoop in with the FBI. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #480

The simplest explanation is usually the right one. underpants Mar 2015 #482

Guess we'll soon find out (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #484

kick Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #485