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procon

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33. You're assuming this is a lifelong condition.

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:47 PM

Mar 2015

Think. Humans have children, its a fact of life, and not everyone fits into your view. Bad things happen to people, even those who meet your criteria, and most of us are only a few missed paychecks away from ruin.

Poverty means you're stuck with a shoddy educational system that leads to a lifetime of slaving away at a dead end minimum wage job where they can be fired at any moment thanks to 'right to work' laws. Now, look at how many people have lost their jobs, and it's even worse in poor communities. The US justice system is skewed against poor people, as is the revolving door of our antiquated penal system that is disproportionately stacked against people of color. Add in unfunded healthcare in states that penalizes the poor and refuse to provide medical services to everyone in need.

All that inequality is the root cause of your "vicious cycle of poverty", not children.

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Totally agree with Kristoff article today - " When Liberals Blew It "- [View all] srican69 Mar 2015 OP

Hoo-boy! Are you gonna get it. TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #1

Single parent households are a reality. upaloopa Mar 2015 #2

seems like you didn't read the article. cali Mar 2015 #24

That sure is a popular DU retort! upaloopa Mar 2015 #30

It's a column well worth reading. hifiguy Mar 2015 #40

It's Just Not a Good Reality Upward Mar 2015 #63

But you have some of the craziest porn I've ever seen! Atman Mar 2015 #3

I am not so much against single parents as much as I am for delaying having kids srican69 Mar 2015 #29

And yet, half our government is opposed to birth control or abortion. Atman Mar 2015 #36

Birth Control is a big part of the solution ..as is Sex Ed. No brainer. srican69 Mar 2015 #38

And it wasn't the liberals that blew THAT! arcane1 Mar 2015 #79

The problem is that the safest childbearing years are 18-26 Warpy Mar 2015 #54

This ^^ RobinA Mar 2015 #74

Just curious... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #4

South Asian ...Indian to be specific. nt srican69 Mar 2015 #27

Well India has much different views on marraige, do they not? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #75

The Scandinavian countries put that theory to rest imo riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #5

It's a good article. And I think comparing Scandinavian countries to the U.S. is cali Mar 2015 #25

perhaps a little off, BUT DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #52

We only do the right thing... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #104

Don't agree that it was our welfare policies that caused it. betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #6

don't think this has to do with slavery strawberries Mar 2015 #44

Out of wedlock birth and participatory parenting cilla4progress Mar 2015 #56

Your post is from a right wing rag Frontpage mag. betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #61

Timed, in many ways, with the ramp-up of the War On (some) Drugs. arcane1 Mar 2015 #81

Moynihan was part of the advance guard of the neo-liberal/neo-conservative Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #7

Succinct timeline. nt bananas Mar 2015 #51

"Discourage"? How pray tell are we supposed to accomplish that? bluesbassman Mar 2015 #8

Perhaps the OP could have "discouraged" my ex-wife from having an affair, eventually creating... villager Mar 2015 #28

I think we sort of are accomplishing it strawberries Mar 2015 #49

So that would be because welfare was stingy, not because it was liberal betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #64

I would say yes to that nt strawberries Mar 2015 #65

Let me see if I have this straight... bluesbassman Mar 2015 #69

The System RobinA Mar 2015 #77

OK, so which is it? bluesbassman Mar 2015 #91

Bingo! Spazito Mar 2015 #78

Seems Krugman has already debunked this. Kristof, as usual, is awful with the facts. Chathamization Mar 2015 #9

And that's it. BOOM goes the dynamite, and Kristoff's halfassed analysis. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #15

That is absolute BS ..many people in Asia world are desparately poor/ unemployed and yet have srican69 Mar 2015 #22

I think the use of the word "values" is very telling. alarimer Mar 2015 #39

Hmmm, I found this article which spells out how India's marriage laws Spazito Mar 2015 #48

Are you in an arranged marriage? This is the custom, is it not? kwassa Mar 2015 #50

Then that also proves that marriage does nothing to relieve poverty or unemployment betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #66

+100 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #70

Can you spell out some of these values? arcane1 Mar 2015 #83

We need to have fewer children. That's the best route to take. randome Mar 2015 #10

How does a community "allow" that to happen? JaneyVee Mar 2015 #11

What we need is a social support network Kurska Mar 2015 #12

This has been debunked so many ways and so many times. Blaming the victims of poverty never gets old greatlaurel Mar 2015 #13

but having a couple kids that they cannot supports feeds that same vicious cycle of poverty. srican69 Mar 2015 #14

Maybe it is insulting and eugenic to ask poor people not to breed instead of raising their wages so betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #17

The prejudices of ethnic and class privilege are blinding you to how people become impoverished. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #37

Thanks to you & others for setting this RW spin straight, "unmarried women cause poverty" per appalachiablue Mar 2015 #92

+10 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #68

Because no one thinks rationally about the future. randome Mar 2015 #18

You're assuming this is a lifelong condition. procon Mar 2015 #33

What do you consider "not supporting" and what do you consider "best opportunities"? uponit7771 Mar 2015 #46

I think many times.... sendero Mar 2015 #67

Why are the "desparately poor" in Asia having kids they can't afford? arcane1 Mar 2015 #90

Indeed. If marriage is the solution why are there so many impoverished children in Asia? appalachiablue Mar 2015 #94

Because "values" or something. arcane1 Mar 2015 #96

That's it, values cure poverty, not money or jobs. Easy, problem fixed! appalachiablue Mar 2015 #98

And they're packed with calories and protein. arcane1 Mar 2015 #99

A breakfast bowl of values in the morning & you're good to go all day! appalachiablue Mar 2015 #101

I so agree with what you are saying - cilla4progress Mar 2015 #34

The reverasal of the Great Society has been a terrible tragedy. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #41

Hillary still needs to prove herself to me. cilla4progress Mar 2015 #57

Good, strong post. 100% in agreement. nt brush Mar 2015 #45

Thank you! greatlaurel Mar 2015 #47

+10 Thanks for the truth. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #71

So at the end of the day fuck facts and be racial hunh? Come on, progressives are better than this uponit7771 Mar 2015 #16

Or not: phantom power Mar 2015 #19

I tend to agree with Mr. Wilson. Take away poverty and you are more apt to have stable rhett o rick Mar 2015 #87

Here's where you went wrong: "I really feel the Republicans have a valid point" FSogol Mar 2015 #20

+1, when have they had anything valid in the last 3 years!?!? uponit7771 Mar 2015 #62

Like Republicans, you seem to support the concept of 'I got mine, screw you'. procon Mar 2015 #21

Read Ta'Nehisi Coates' article in the Atlantic on reparations and educate yourself brush Mar 2015 #23

I am in favor of some type of reparations but upaloopa Mar 2015 #26

How so? brush Mar 2015 #42

Basis for reparations (edited) upaloopa Mar 2015 #82

That's my point. We're on the same page. nt brush Mar 2015 #97

Yes upaloopa Mar 2015 #100

Much white post-WWII wealth comes from home ownership ... kwassa Mar 2015 #60

I need to get a copy for myself upaloopa Mar 2015 #89

You realize that "policies that discourage single parenting among minorities" would just be Marr Mar 2015 #31

They blew it on the other side of the equation: WOMEN daredtowork Mar 2015 #32

Republicans have a valid point? trumad Mar 2015 #35

This didn't make it into this video? Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #43

Why the fuck won't the GOP support a job bill? Why won't the GOP discourage racism instead of valerief Mar 2015 #53

Careful you don't get a nose bleed way up there on your high horse. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #55

So terribly sorry for your loss. I agree with your analysis completely. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #105

thank you for the kind words notadmblnd Mar 2015 #107

plus 100 Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #106

Might as well blame gangsta rap as well madville Mar 2015 #58

Maybe breeding slaves like livestock broke down the family unit Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #59

+10 Courageous post Re the ugly, brutal truth & reality appalachiablue Mar 2015 #73

What kind of policies do you have in mind and are you also sure you are not TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #72

+1 bravenak Mar 2015 #76

No response <shakes head> TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #102

The point was to talk about black men not with them. bravenak Mar 2015 #103

What horseshit. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #80

We need great access to birth control. gollygee Mar 2015 #84

Wait, "discourage single parenting among minorities". abelenkpe Mar 2015 #85

(1) We need to have a justice system that doesn't lock up so many minority men. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #86

I don't agree with your OP but I appreciate you posting it to stimulate rhett o rick Mar 2015 #88

Perhaps, the question was inartfully struck; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #93

And foster care is better if a kid has the misfortune of a single mother? nt alp227 Mar 2015 #95