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Laura PourMeADrink

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Wed May 2, 2012, 09:45 AM May 2012

Obama, in a "letter to one of his romantic partners".. [View all]

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/the-young-obama-literary-critic-122253.html

By BYRON TAU | 5/2/12 10:14 AM EDT
Vanity Fair excerpts some of David Maraniss forthcoming Obama biography, exploring the future president's time in New York and his relationship with two women as the young Barack Obama struggled with race, identity and his purpose in life.

In this letter to one of his romantic partners, Obama holds forth on literature — praising author T.S. Eliot's "conservatism" and saying he respects it more than some "bourgeois liberalism."

Obama:

I haven’t read “The Waste Land” for a year, and I never did bother to check all the footnotes. But I will hazard these statements—Eliot contains the same ecstatic vision which runs from Münzer to Yeats. However, he retains a grounding in the social reality/order of his time. Facing what he perceives as a choice between ecstatic chaos and lifeless mechanistic order, he accedes to maintaining a separation of asexual purity and brutal sexual reality. And he wears a stoical face before this. Read his essay on Tradition and the Individual Talent, as well as Four Quartets, when he’s less concerned with depicting moribund Europe, to catch a sense of what I speak. Remember how I said there’s a certain kind of conservatism which I respect more than bourgeois liberalism—Eliot is of this type. Of course, the dichotomy he maintains is reactionary, but it’s due to a deep fatalism, not ignorance. (Counter him with Yeats or Pound, who, arising from the same milieu, opted to support Hitler and Mussolini.) And this fatalism is born out of the relation between fertility and death, which I touched on in my last letter—life feeds on itself. A fatalism I share with the western tradition at times. You seem surprised at Eliot’s irreconcilable ambivalence; don’t you share this ambivalence yourself, Alex?
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Ooooooooooooooh!!!! That'll piss off the wingnuts! MADem May 2012 #1
Ha....This sounds exactly like things I wrote in college Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #6
I'm not sure if this OP was supposed to be pro-Obama or anti-Obama.... cbdo2007 May 2012 #30
Well, it's from Politico and they're assholes, but I posted a link to the VF article from which it MADem May 2012 #31
You betcha! GoCubsGo May 2012 #40
Can anyone imagine Dubya writing a sufrommich May 2012 #2
ROFL alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #4
DUzy malaise May 2012 #9
I couldn't ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2012 #12
"Laura, Aristus May 2012 #56
Dear Laura, Swede May 2012 #13
+1 Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #17
lol. nt sufrommich May 2012 #18
LOL! n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #19
+1 uponit7771 May 2012 #23
Pomes... that's "pomes" are hard (Bullwinkle T. Moose). lamp_shade May 2012 #26
LOL!!! Whisp May 2012 #27
. ProSense May 2012 #48
I am sure Mitt wrote stuff just as deep on Ayn Rand. yellowcanine May 2012 #22
Ha! More like "Thanks for getting the towel." nt Poll_Blind May 2012 #24
Ha ha ha! MADem May 2012 #32
I can't imagine him reading it out loud. SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #34
+1. nt sufrommich May 2012 #39
Forget Dubya - I can't imagine students today writing that period. TBF May 2012 #46
Imagine Bush writing something like this... antigone382 May 2012 #3
Wow, remember when people used to write letters like this ... frazzled May 2012 #5
+1 Scuba May 2012 #8
No thinking required anymore..... cbdo2007 May 2012 #29
It's kinda sweet but I can imagine that he's a bit embarrassed by it now... CTyankee May 2012 #36
Yeah, once in a while ... frazzled May 2012 #41
Oh, of course he should't be embarrassed. I didn't mean that at all. But we all write stuff CTyankee May 2012 #45
So, tell me, what do you think some good topics of conversation could be? Aside from politics Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #50
Something totally unexpected ... frazzled May 2012 #52
good ones. I especially like the topic about who the digital world Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #54
uh-oh. GOP takeaway, aside from the above, is proof he's gay. magical thyme May 2012 #7
Alex is used for females as much or more than for males. nt. bluestate10 May 2012 #51
tell it to the GOP magical thyme May 2012 #59
Wow!!!! TrogL May 2012 #10
Can you imagine Dubya writing such a wonderful, introspective letter? myrna minx May 2012 #11
What? FloridaJudy May 2012 #14
The truly twitter-literati would use the "Wassup" form! MADem May 2012 #43
remind me never to become president Enrique May 2012 #15
+1 uponit7771 May 2012 #21
Wow, that's deep! Odin2005 May 2012 #16
Obama discussed T.S. Eliot with a woman friend? What a snob! yellowcanine May 2012 #20
It gets better--she was a FURRINER!! Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!!! nt MADem May 2012 #33
He is Spock. BumRushDaShow May 2012 #25
That's hot. nt msanthrope May 2012 #28
+1 nt TBF May 2012 #47
update...more about the Obama biography Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #35
"I never did bother to check all the footnotes" Prism May 2012 #37
I have to admit, most of this goes over my head. Old and In the Way May 2012 #38
It's actually a fairly conventional take on Eliot alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #53
sure do hope no one researches this and finds he lifted it all from Cliffs Notes. nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #55
Seriously? alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #58
of course not. I am just so impressed with what he wrote. nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #60
that's true but he says it rather well. cali May 2012 #62
No argument there alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #63
Does my English major heart good to read this deutsey May 2012 #42
How romantic GeorgeGist May 2012 #44
he continually proves me right about him JI7 May 2012 #49
in what way? cali May 2012 #61
i liked him because i considered him a deep thinker JI7 May 2012 #64
What's really going to piss off the right-wing nuts LibertyLover May 2012 #57
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