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30. Agree that there is prima facie evidence that the fraternity discriminated

Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:09 AM

Mar 2015

Also agree, now that I've seen OU's "Minimum Expectations Covenant" that all frats must sign, that once the national organization terminated the local chapter's charter, they were no longer subject to recognition by the University. I'm still unclear as to who "owns" the actual frat house property (although I'm guessing that if it is located on the actual campus it is owned by the University and leased to, or otherwise made available to SAE on condition that it meets the Minimum Expectations Covenant". If I'm wrong and the fraternity (national or local chapter) and/or its residents have a property interest in the house, then there could be an issue with evicting them without due process. Since I haven't seen the lawsuit, I can't speak to what grounds they claim to have for fighting the University's actions.

A further question is whether the SAE members could form their own "frat" (calling it whatever they want) and find housing for it off campus, and not bother with seeking university recognition. Would the university have any recourse?

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OU SAE to sue University of Oklahoma and the University President [View all] marym625 Mar 2015 OP

SMH Mr Dixon Mar 2015 #1

Well they said sorry. marym625 Mar 2015 #2

If they don't want to be called racists, they shouldn't City Lights Mar 2015 #3

couldn't agree more marym625 Mar 2015 #13

But the first amendment protects "hate speech" onenote Mar 2015 #35

they were provided with the opportunity to request the hearing. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #36

That's pretty astute analysis. No way an organization that openly violates KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #43

Good insight. hifiguy Mar 2015 #54

Oh you're so right marym625 Mar 2015 #38

Admitting to racial discrimination and threatening to lynch other students goes beyond the 1st Amend GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #4

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #18

What is their legal claim? Definition of character? bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #5

definition of character! marym625 Mar 2015 #19

Doesn't OU have a student code of conduct? Didn't they agree to abide by the code when FSogol Mar 2015 #6

Excellent point (n/t) MissDeeds Mar 2015 #10

Except the code may actually give the students a leg to stand on onenote Mar 2015 #12

Regardless of what is says, any University can err on the side of protecting their student's safety. FSogol Mar 2015 #25

the frat chapter itself has zero legal remedies, though, as it's already been dissolved geek tragedy Mar 2015 #26

Agree that there is prima facie evidence that the fraternity discriminated onenote Mar 2015 #30

students can form their own private groups and associations geek tragedy Mar 2015 #32

There is clear violation of the "Abusive conduct" rule Gore1FL Mar 2015 #58

+2000! marym625 Mar 2015 #20

yes they do steve2470 Mar 2015 #33

Free speech is not consequence-free speech. alarimer Mar 2015 #7

+1 FourScore Mar 2015 #16

I think it does entitle people to be assholes. marym625 Mar 2015 #21

It does. hifiguy Mar 2015 #55

True marym625 Mar 2015 #62

......... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #8

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #22

The guys in my fraternity at the U of MN, hifiguy Mar 2015 #56

Defending the indefensible MissDeeds Mar 2015 #9

free speech is only for the rich, and musicians. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #11

It is indefensible, imho. n/t marym625 Mar 2015 #23

OK. Let's further investigate how the freshman members learned the song alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #14

oh! good point marym625 Mar 2015 #24

That's whatvim waiting to see and hear. yardwork Mar 2015 #31

the University MUST provide a welcoming & safe environment for all students. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #15

totally agree marym625 Mar 2015 #27

Since the national fraternity closed the OU chapter, the university seems within its rights Maeve Mar 2015 #17

Another great point! marym625 Mar 2015 #28

Interesting lawsuit. Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #29

Agreed onenote Mar 2015 #34

Good point marym625 Mar 2015 #39

To the contrary... Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #45

I was thinking more along the lines marym625 Mar 2015 #49

The Repubs will be recruiting these spoiled shitheels hifiguy Mar 2015 #57

Stephen Jones maryellen99 Mar 2015 #37

Really? interesting! marym625 Mar 2015 #40

Stephen Jones is not easily pigeon holed onenote Mar 2015 #46

this case would be less competitive than the senate race. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #52

timothy mcveigh's lawyer.... spanone Mar 2015 #41

Someone just pointed that out marym625 Mar 2015 #42

Does the fraternity have any self awareness maryellen99 Mar 2015 #47

20 years! oh my goodness marym625 Mar 2015 #61

Maybe not, but I don't hold it against Jones that he accepted an appointment to represent McVeigh onenote Mar 2015 #64

I 100% agree, everyone deserves a competent defense! nt Logical Mar 2015 #75

It's the only option they have left to scare OU back into re-admitting them Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #44

They could just accept their punishment marym625 Mar 2015 #48

Why do that when mom+dad have been "fixing" things all their lives? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #51

I think the two individuals have a better case than does the fraternity marshall Mar 2015 #50

I don't know enough about what schools are allowed to do. marym625 Mar 2015 #63

I wondered about him telling them to pack their bags and get out marshall Mar 2015 #66

I agree marym625 Mar 2015 #70

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #69

Fraternities must comply with the Oklahoma University Code of Conduct. Maedhros Mar 2015 #53

That the SAE national immediately yanked their charter hifiguy Mar 2015 #59

Then, hopefully, the university will win marym625 Mar 2015 #67

Every minority person that attends OU should join in a class action lawsuit gerogie2 Mar 2015 #60

They're going to have to establish that they tried to join SAE onenote Mar 2015 #65

I doubt there's any money there. marym625 Mar 2015 #68

Tarred and feathered? Generic Brad Mar 2015 #71

I didn't say it marym625 Mar 2015 #72

Very aware you did not say it Generic Brad Mar 2015 #73

No sorry needed marym625 Mar 2015 #74