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64. Maybe not, but I don't hold it against Jones that he accepted an appointment to represent McVeigh

Fri Mar 13, 2015, 04:50 PM

Mar 2015

I share the view of one my progressive heroes, Ramsey Clark, that everyone is entitled to a legal defense, no matter how unpopular defending them is with the public. Jones took the McVeigh case after others refused to defend him.

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OU SAE to sue University of Oklahoma and the University President [View all] marym625 Mar 2015 OP

SMH Mr Dixon Mar 2015 #1

Well they said sorry. marym625 Mar 2015 #2

If they don't want to be called racists, they shouldn't City Lights Mar 2015 #3

couldn't agree more marym625 Mar 2015 #13

But the first amendment protects "hate speech" onenote Mar 2015 #35

they were provided with the opportunity to request the hearing. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #36

That's pretty astute analysis. No way an organization that openly violates KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #43

Good insight. hifiguy Mar 2015 #54

Oh you're so right marym625 Mar 2015 #38

Admitting to racial discrimination and threatening to lynch other students goes beyond the 1st Amend GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #4

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #18

What is their legal claim? Definition of character? bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #5

definition of character! marym625 Mar 2015 #19

Doesn't OU have a student code of conduct? Didn't they agree to abide by the code when FSogol Mar 2015 #6

Excellent point (n/t) MissDeeds Mar 2015 #10

Except the code may actually give the students a leg to stand on onenote Mar 2015 #12

Regardless of what is says, any University can err on the side of protecting their student's safety. FSogol Mar 2015 #25

the frat chapter itself has zero legal remedies, though, as it's already been dissolved geek tragedy Mar 2015 #26

Agree that there is prima facie evidence that the fraternity discriminated onenote Mar 2015 #30

students can form their own private groups and associations geek tragedy Mar 2015 #32

There is clear violation of the "Abusive conduct" rule Gore1FL Mar 2015 #58

+2000! marym625 Mar 2015 #20

yes they do steve2470 Mar 2015 #33

Free speech is not consequence-free speech. alarimer Mar 2015 #7

+1 FourScore Mar 2015 #16

I think it does entitle people to be assholes. marym625 Mar 2015 #21

It does. hifiguy Mar 2015 #55

True marym625 Mar 2015 #62

......... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #8

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #22

The guys in my fraternity at the U of MN, hifiguy Mar 2015 #56

Defending the indefensible MissDeeds Mar 2015 #9

free speech is only for the rich, and musicians. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #11

It is indefensible, imho. n/t marym625 Mar 2015 #23

OK. Let's further investigate how the freshman members learned the song alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #14

oh! good point marym625 Mar 2015 #24

That's whatvim waiting to see and hear. yardwork Mar 2015 #31

the University MUST provide a welcoming & safe environment for all students. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #15

totally agree marym625 Mar 2015 #27

Since the national fraternity closed the OU chapter, the university seems within its rights Maeve Mar 2015 #17

Another great point! marym625 Mar 2015 #28

Interesting lawsuit. Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #29

Agreed onenote Mar 2015 #34

Good point marym625 Mar 2015 #39

To the contrary... Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #45

I was thinking more along the lines marym625 Mar 2015 #49

The Repubs will be recruiting these spoiled shitheels hifiguy Mar 2015 #57

Stephen Jones maryellen99 Mar 2015 #37

Really? interesting! marym625 Mar 2015 #40

Stephen Jones is not easily pigeon holed onenote Mar 2015 #46

this case would be less competitive than the senate race. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #52

timothy mcveigh's lawyer.... spanone Mar 2015 #41

Someone just pointed that out marym625 Mar 2015 #42

Does the fraternity have any self awareness maryellen99 Mar 2015 #47

20 years! oh my goodness marym625 Mar 2015 #61

Maybe not, but I don't hold it against Jones that he accepted an appointment to represent McVeigh onenote Mar 2015 #64

I 100% agree, everyone deserves a competent defense! nt Logical Mar 2015 #75

It's the only option they have left to scare OU back into re-admitting them Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #44

They could just accept their punishment marym625 Mar 2015 #48

Why do that when mom+dad have been "fixing" things all their lives? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #51

I think the two individuals have a better case than does the fraternity marshall Mar 2015 #50

I don't know enough about what schools are allowed to do. marym625 Mar 2015 #63

I wondered about him telling them to pack their bags and get out marshall Mar 2015 #66

I agree marym625 Mar 2015 #70

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #69

Fraternities must comply with the Oklahoma University Code of Conduct. Maedhros Mar 2015 #53

That the SAE national immediately yanked their charter hifiguy Mar 2015 #59

Then, hopefully, the university will win marym625 Mar 2015 #67

Every minority person that attends OU should join in a class action lawsuit gerogie2 Mar 2015 #60

They're going to have to establish that they tried to join SAE onenote Mar 2015 #65

I doubt there's any money there. marym625 Mar 2015 #68

Tarred and feathered? Generic Brad Mar 2015 #71

I didn't say it marym625 Mar 2015 #72

Very aware you did not say it Generic Brad Mar 2015 #73

No sorry needed marym625 Mar 2015 #74