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19. The relative we had who died of lung cancer dragged around an oxygen tank

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:31 PM

Mar 2015

for a decade first. So she managed to have both COPD and cancer.

Her husband, also a smoker, didn't need oxygen. But after his surgery for esophageal cancer he needed a little box in his neck to give him a robot voice.

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Remember tobacco? A product once "scientifically" proven to be harmless [View all] pnwmom Mar 2015 OP

Remember marijuana? A plant completely vilified by most governments, based on lies? Rex Mar 2015 #1

Thanks. This adds to my point that not every "scientific" study pnwmom Mar 2015 #2

A scientific study by tobacco lobbyists is not very encouraging. Rex Mar 2015 #6

when was tobacco proven safe by a peer-reviewed scientific study? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #3

The difference between a scientific study and a "scientific" study is not obvious to some hobbit709 Mar 2015 #5

At least people know when they're using tobacco, so epidemiologists pnwmom Mar 2015 #9

My question, though, was whether there was an actual scientific study that showed tobacco was safe. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #11

I don't know. Trim Reducing Aid cigarettes claimed they had 5 clinical studies. pnwmom Mar 2015 #12

I would suspect they had no scientific studies of any merit at all nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #14

Probably so. But the consumer wouldn't know that. pnwmom Mar 2015 #15

Which makes a good case for consumers being aware of what is and isn't junk science Major Nikon Mar 2015 #61

I think it makes a good case for government regulation. The average pnwmom Mar 2015 #62

The government should regulate known health risks when the industry does not Major Nikon Mar 2015 #63

Should it take more than 30 years for the government to finally pnwmom Mar 2015 #66

So you think what happened almost 100 years ago is just as applicable today? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #68

People are just as corruptible today as they were 100 years ago. pnwmom Mar 2015 #72

100 years ago people thought tapeworms were viable medicine Major Nikon Mar 2015 #73

And 100 years from now people will look with horror on many of our pnwmom Mar 2015 #85

You completely ignore 100 years of progress Major Nikon Mar 2015 #88

Progress? Like global warming? pnwmom Mar 2015 #90

Naturally we would all be better off living in trees and throwing shit at each other Major Nikon Mar 2015 #93

Did giving women over 50 mare piss? Who doesn't want breast cancer over hot flashes! KittyWampus Mar 2015 #22

"A product once "scientifically" proven to be harmless" + "I don't know." Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #102

That's because you're ignoring the quotation marks. pnwmom Mar 2015 #103

what about Premarin? Nothing like giving women breast cancer to treat menopause. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #20

I got breast cancer at age 43 after taking Premarin for 3 years. lark Mar 2015 #45

Misinformation by Gov't somehow seems less nefarious when compared to Corporate greed Sheepshank Mar 2015 #76

Ochsner Clinic in New Orleans was the first. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #4

I have a relative who also has lung damage due to second hand smoke. pnwmom Mar 2015 #10

I went to school with an Ochsner descendent KamaAina Mar 2015 #79

Well. Cough. Us doctors on tee vee like it, too! Octafish Mar 2015 #7

Thanks! pnwmom Mar 2015 #8

My family, too. Octafish Mar 2015 #32

Nevertheless, Reagan was just a layman. What did he know? immoderate Mar 2015 #13

Evil Doktor Reagan helped shut down ''Socialized Medicine'' then JFK got shot. Octafish Mar 2015 #30

Thanks for the reminder, Octafish! pnwmom Mar 2015 #36

But he lived to age 92 . virgogal Mar 2015 #17

And what a life! He made 'Liberal' into a bad word transformed 'Racist' into 'Conservative.' Octafish Mar 2015 #34

Every time I had an earache, my grandpa would blow cigarette smoke in my ear. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #16

The problem with tobacco is not so much lung cancer as copd and other respiratory issues uppityperson Mar 2015 #18

The relative we had who died of lung cancer dragged around an oxygen tank pnwmom Mar 2015 #19

Yep, asthma, allergies and general respiratory hassles. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #26

circulatory issues too laundry_queen Mar 2015 #41

Wow -- I was wondering the same thing about your grandfather. pnwmom Mar 2015 #47

The Clintons benefitted greatly from the tobacco industry. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #21

No, but I remember all the talk about him with a cigar in Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #27

Bill Clinton's Justice department filed racketeering charges against Big Tobacco. pnwmom Mar 2015 #51

Why put "scientifically" in the title? progressoid Mar 2015 #23

Because the products were being marketed as scientifically studied pnwmom Mar 2015 #25

Right, so this about deceptive marketing. progressoid Mar 2015 #31

Not all scientists. The tobacco industry also employed scientists pnwmom Mar 2015 #33

now, now, don't be throwing facts into a good outrage. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #35

The tobacco industry pushed its own set of facts, pnwmom Mar 2015 #37

Publishing carefully sifted data to prove your point is not facts. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #38

But that is what the tobacco industry did. pnwmom Mar 2015 #40

Thank you! THANK YOU! druidity33 Mar 2015 #55

Yes, I thought that Scientific American article was very enlightening. pnwmom Mar 2015 #57

It was market-driven "science" that supported the case. Just like today's market- ND-Dem Mar 2015 #42

Because she wants to discredit studies that show GMOs are safe. jeff47 Mar 2015 #80

We can not only talk about giving cancer causing premarin to menopausal women to illustrate KittyWampus Mar 2015 #24

The ultimate example for the necessity of government oversight and regulation' yallerdawg Mar 2015 #28

Hey, wet chewing was used to treat wounds. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #29

Thalidomide anyone? DES? Quaalude? Fen-Phen? Vioxx? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #39

We were very lucky that the FDA analyst dragged her feet on approving pnwmom Mar 2015 #44

Remember Fracking? randr Mar 2015 #43

Good point! pnwmom Mar 2015 #46

Theyre using same techniques now for climate change denial. nt ErikJ Mar 2015 #48

Yes, they are. pnwmom Mar 2015 #49

Dr. Spaceman whereisjustice Mar 2015 #50

Remember Global Warming? (Retired tabacco shills with new employment) chknltl Mar 2015 #52

I believe it. Scientists like that are just guns for hire. Unfortunately, pnwmom Mar 2015 #53

To be fair, it was hard for tobacco company executives to understand scientists tclambert Mar 2015 #54

I remember a TV show from the early or mid 1950's. lpbk2713 Mar 2015 #56

It was anecdotally known to be dangerous in the 19th Century jmowreader Mar 2015 #58

Yup. But Big Tobacco had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, pnwmom Mar 2015 #59

Not sure if today's would... jmowreader Mar 2015 #60

Thanks for making my point, once we found out it was dangerous we started...... Logical Mar 2015 #64

The first study that found the connection between lung cancer and smoking pnwmom Mar 2015 #70

Remember when science said tobacco was dangerous... SidDithers Mar 2015 #65

I know it isn't static. The GMO producers want to convince us that it is static -- pnwmom Mar 2015 #67

So somehow something that was known 100 years ago compares to something that isn't known today? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #69

This is what would "satisfy" me: pnwmom Mar 2015 #71

In other words, nothing would satisfy you Major Nikon Mar 2015 #74

Researchers can buy seeds -- but only if they sign a contract. pnwmom Mar 2015 #82

Not true. Over 150 universities have blanket agreements with patent holders Major Nikon Mar 2015 #87

Then why were those 24 corn scientists protesting, according to Scientific American? pnwmom Mar 2015 #94

And how successful were those protests? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #97

Not successful enough. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #98

You have no evidence phil89 Mar 2015 #81

The GMO producers control the research by controlling the seeds. pnwmom Mar 2015 #83

are you going to respond to post #87 snooper2 Mar 2015 #92

I did. And there is also this, from the LA Times: pnwmom Mar 2015 #95

She did, using an old story. HuckleB Mar 2015 #96

Do you even read your own links? pnwmom Mar 2015 #100

Yes, and I wasn't talking to you. HuckleB Mar 2015 #101

You were talking ABOUT me and posts I wrote. pnwmom Mar 2015 #104

I must have missed the part of the OP that said "science is static" GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #77

You'd think science WAS static if you looked at the posts of some GMO labeling detractors. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #78

While I don't think you are aware... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #75

We are still living in a capitalist system, and scientists are still human pnwmom Mar 2015 #84

Exactly. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #86

No, and that's why I said, "scientifically" in the OP -- with quotation marks. pnwmom Mar 2015 #91

Nobody believed that but the smokers who were addicted... hunter Mar 2015 #89

Interesting timing for this - just finished "The Insider". closeupready Mar 2015 #99