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In reply to the discussion: Remember tobacco? A product once "scientifically" proven to be harmless [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)30. Evil Doktor Reagan helped shut down ''Socialized Medicine'' then JFK got shot.
Wasn't brought up much after that.

Operation COFFEECUP - How Reagan Worked to Stop Universal Health Coverage in 1961
In December 1961, the AMA pulled out all the stops to prevent President John F. Kennedy from proposing universal health coverage. For their effort, they recruited a TV-personality.
Write those letters now. Call your friends, and tell them to write them. If you don't, this program I promise you will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow. And behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country, until, one day . . . we will awake to find that we have socialism. And if you don't do this, and if I don't do it, one of these days, you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free.
Sounds familiar to Tea Party crapola of today. Ironic: Corporate McPravda avoids mentioning how one has-been B-movie actor took part in the organized opposition to Medicare in the early 1960s. Here's the story, thanks to Mr. Scott E. Starr:
The Campaign Against Medicare
Monday, March 22, 2010
By Scott E. Starr
EXCERPT...
In order to maintain the illusion of spontaneity, the AMA did not announce the existence of Operation Coffeecup or publicize the Reagan recording. The record was to be used, campaign organizers cautioned, only in the groups meeting under the controlled conditions of the informal coffees. Under no circumstances, recipients of the record were warned, were they to permit commercial broadcast of the recording.
Operation Coffeecup was kept deliberately low-key and internal to the AMA, its Womans Auxiliary, and the trusted friends and neighbors of the Auxiliary women. Reagans efforts against Medicare were revealed, however, in a scoop by Drew Pearson in his Washington Merry-Go-Round column of June 17th. Pearson titled his item on Reagan, Star vs. JFK, and he told his readers:
Ronald Reagan of Hollywood has pitted his mellifluous voice against President Kennedy in the battle for medical aid for the elderly. As a result it looks as if the old folks would lose out. He has caused such a deluge of mail to swamp Congress that Congressmen want to postpone action on the medical bill until 1962. What they dont know, of course, is that Ron Reagan is behind the mail; also that the American Medical Association is paying for it.
Reagan is the handsome TV star for General Electric . . . Just how this background qualifies him as an expert on medical care for the elderly remains a mystery. Nevertheless, thanks to a deal with the AMA, and the acquiescence of General Electric, Ronald may be able to outinfluence the President of the United States with Congress.24
Reagans recorded remarks are quite extensive, and reveal a determined and in-depth attack on the principles of Medicare (and Social Security), going well beyond opposition to King-Anderson or any other particular piece of legislation.
My name is Ronald Reagan. I have been asked to talk on the several subjects that have to do with the problems of the day. . .
Now back in 1927 an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program. . . .
But at the moment I'd like to talk about another way because this threat is with us and at the moment is more imminent. One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it. We have an example of this. Under the Truman administration it was proposed that we have a compulsory health insurance program for all people in the United States, and, of course, the American people unhesitatingly rejected this.25
And what was this frightful threat that Reagan perceived as imminent?
. . . Congressman Forand introduced the Forand Bill. This was the idea that all people of Social Security age should be brought under a program of compulsory health insurance. Now, this would not only be our senior citizens, this would be the dependents and those who are disabled, this would be young people if they are dependents of someone eligible for Social Security. . . .
It should be obvious that Reagans description of the Forand bill is a description of any Medicare-type program, not just a specific piece of legislation.26 The idea that people of Social Security age should be brought under a program of compulsory health insurance, just is the idea of Medicare.
CONTINUED...
http://geotheology.blogspot.com /
If you get a chance, immoderate and all DU, the geotheology blog continues with details on Operation COFFEECUP. The American Medical Association bankrolled the "mellifluous voice" of Ol' Pruneface.
I bring this all up because so many believe history started only yesterday. The rightwing warmongers and greedheads have been organized for a long time. They've demonized liberals like me and my political heroes as socialists and communists. The nation has devolved politically to the point where even the leaders of our own party run away from the word, "Liberal." It's past time America realizes supporting the causes of the rich helped launch the political career of Americas first presidential Reverse Robin Hood. Fronting for the BFEE, Reaganomics has resulted in the greatest transfer of wealth from the many to the few -- during the times 7/8 of all the wealth in human history was created, per David Stockman.
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Remember tobacco? A product once "scientifically" proven to be harmless [View all]
pnwmom
Mar 2015
OP
The difference between a scientific study and a "scientific" study is not obvious to some
hobbit709
Mar 2015
#5
My question, though, was whether there was an actual scientific study that showed tobacco was safe.
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#11
Which makes a good case for consumers being aware of what is and isn't junk science
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#61
The government should regulate known health risks when the industry does not
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#63
So you think what happened almost 100 years ago is just as applicable today?
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#68
Naturally we would all be better off living in trees and throwing shit at each other
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#93
Did giving women over 50 mare piss? Who doesn't want breast cancer over hot flashes!
KittyWampus
Mar 2015
#22
"A product once "scientifically" proven to be harmless" + "I don't know."
Warren Stupidity
Mar 2015
#102
what about Premarin? Nothing like giving women breast cancer to treat menopause.
KittyWampus
Mar 2015
#20
Misinformation by Gov't somehow seems less nefarious when compared to Corporate greed
Sheepshank
Mar 2015
#76
Evil Doktor Reagan helped shut down ''Socialized Medicine'' then JFK got shot.
Octafish
Mar 2015
#30
And what a life! He made 'Liberal' into a bad word transformed 'Racist' into 'Conservative.'
Octafish
Mar 2015
#34
Every time I had an earache, my grandpa would blow cigarette smoke in my ear.
ScreamingMeemie
Mar 2015
#16
The problem with tobacco is not so much lung cancer as copd and other respiratory issues
uppityperson
Mar 2015
#18
Bill Clinton's Justice department filed racketeering charges against Big Tobacco.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#51
It was market-driven "science" that supported the case. Just like today's market-
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#42
We can not only talk about giving cancer causing premarin to menopausal women to illustrate
KittyWampus
Mar 2015
#24
The ultimate example for the necessity of government oversight and regulation'
yallerdawg
Mar 2015
#28
To be fair, it was hard for tobacco company executives to understand scientists
tclambert
Mar 2015
#54
Thanks for making my point, once we found out it was dangerous we started......
Logical
Mar 2015
#64
I know it isn't static. The GMO producers want to convince us that it is static --
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#67
So somehow something that was known 100 years ago compares to something that isn't known today?
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#69
Not true. Over 150 universities have blanket agreements with patent holders
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#87
Then why were those 24 corn scientists protesting, according to Scientific American?
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#94
You'd think science WAS static if you looked at the posts of some GMO labeling detractors.
Gormy Cuss
Mar 2015
#78