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joshcryer

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91. No, but we can say Obama continued the policy work.

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:15 PM

Mar 2015

After the coup President tried to unwind everything.

Hell, even Bush tried to do shit with Medicare... (pitifully, with his own stupid market based approach that didn't allow for bargaining).

Administrations don't exist in a vacuum, they go on whatever the previous administration was doing, it's one reason Obama's Presidency is seen as mediocre (from pundits, I personally find it quite remarkable).

Obamacare is certainly, without a doubt, a continuation of the Clinton attempt to get health care coverage expanded.

Importantly, Clinton and Obama basically proposed the same dang thing during the campaign (Edwards did too). It's not like it was controversial or groundbreaking for Obama.

We don't call the EPA the Nixon Environmental Protection Agency.

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Thank you. When I read (I guess some younger posters) write and say Nixon wasn't that bad OKNancy Mar 2015 #1

I was about to say those are not mutually exclusive options. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #9

By body count, he is.We hated his guts.The Berrigans, the Chicago Eight, the protestor deaths ancianita Mar 2015 #15

I totally agree about BlueMTexpat Mar 2015 #22

he didn't normalize relations with prc; that was a corporate decision. Capital needed ND-Dem Mar 2015 #58

He made the initial overtures BlueMTexpat Mar 2015 #77

One point that must be made about Nixon is that, unlike Raygun hifiguy Mar 2015 #94

he was all those things, but his domestic policies were more liberal than reagan's -- ND-Dem Mar 2015 #31

He never did anything without political calculation. OKNancy Mar 2015 #33

you can say the same of 99% of politicians. He did them, regardless. Unlike the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #35

I can't believe you think Nixon is liberal compared to Bill Clinton. Rex Mar 2015 #52

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Duh. Rex Mar 2015 #54

i'll take that as a no. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #56

I'm sure you will, what you won't do is explain how Nixon was a liberal. Rex Mar 2015 #57

Nixon was a politician. Nixon's policies were more liberal than anything around today. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #59

Nixon kept us in the Viet Nam war shadowmayor Mar 2015 #50

strictly speaking, we left vietnam during nixon's watch, ergo he got us out of vietnam. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55

Yeah, Nixon "gave" us the EPA Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #69

Everything there is just previous policy implementation. joshcryer Mar 2015 #61

Nixon appointees were 44% of that Court & 1/3 of the votes for Roe were from Nixon ND-Dem Mar 2015 #88

I don't think that credits the policy process. joshcryer Mar 2015 #89

the clintons failed to pass health care. should we then call obamacare 'clintoncare' instead? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #90

No, but we can say Obama continued the policy work. joshcryer Mar 2015 #91

we call it obamacare and say obama passed it. but you won't give nixon credit for ND-Dem Mar 2015 #92

Nixon was a right-wing criminal and he was in no way, shape, or form a liberal. At all. Period. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #70

tell me which great society programs he gutted. and you're wrong about the SC nominees. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #84

He did those things because that was the political landscape he had to deal with JHB Mar 2015 #75

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Touche deutsey Mar 2015 #82

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By today's standards, yes, Humphrey would be a Progressive. However, he was a mainstream Democrat in jalan48 Mar 2015 #25

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I was there as well. jalan48 Mar 2015 #30

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Did you see him after MLK assassination ? AikenYankee Mar 2015 #40

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He was an AMATEUR. Orsino Mar 2015 #73

True. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #74

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It wouldn't hurt to boot them from... malokvale77 Mar 2015 #39

Some of us from that era also believe Nixon had Bobby whacked. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #41

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We still are called that. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #62

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Johnson's girl-friend at the time.. Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #68

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It was when he came out of the meeting, Dum Dum. Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #98

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Only on RT..... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #72

keep dreaming. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #86

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