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Journeyman

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33. Its promise comes with a host of endemic problems and concerns . . .
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 03:53 AM
Mar 2015

The need for massive amounts of energy to drive it, the ravages to oceanic life and the coastal impact from the intake, the seemingly intractable problem of saline disposal, and the ever-present issue of funding for construction and maintenance (witness the near-criminal response the plant at Huntington Beach, California has generated, what with the proposed requirement that participating water districts must pay for their full allotment of water no matter whether they need it or not in any given year).

The Pacific Institute has an informative report on the topic:

Desalination, With a Grain of Salt: A California Perspective

available for free download from the Institute's website:

http://pacinst.org/publication/desalination-with-a-grain-of-salt-a-california-perspective-2/

In Desalination, With a Grain of Salt – A California Perspective, the Pacific Institute provides a comprehensive overview of the history, benefits, and risks of ocean desalination, and the barriers that hinder more widespread use of this technology, especially in the context of recent proposals for a massive increase in desalination development in California. Long considered the Holy Grail of water supply, desalination offers the potential of an unlimited source of fresh water purified from the vast oceans of salt water that surround us. The public, politicians, and water managers continue to hope that cost-effective and environmentally safe ocean desalination will come to the rescue of water-short regions. While seawater desalination plants are already vital for economic development in many arid and water-short areas of the world, many plants are overly expensive, inaccurately promoted, poorly designed, inappropriately sited, and ultimately useless. To avoid new, expensive errors, policymakers and the public need to take a careful look at the advantages and disadvantages of desalination and develop clear guidance on how to evaluate and judge proposals for new facilities.

The potential benefits of ocean desalination are great, but the economic, cultural, and environmental costs of wide commercialization remain high. In many parts of the world, alternatives can provide the same freshwater benefits of ocean desalination at far lower economic and environmental costs. These alternatives include treating low-quality local water sources, encouraging regional water transfers, improving conservation and efficiency, accelerating wastewater recycling and reuse, and implementing smart land-use planning.


while UC Berkley hosted the author of the report, Heather Cooley, which the University posted to YouTube as part of its "California Colloquium on Water":



A much better approach, in both the short and long term, is the development of wastewater recycling systems, such as the OCWD Groundwater Replenishment System, which in the 6 years it's been in operation has produced over 152 Billion (with a B) gallons of high quality water, potable water that exceeds all state and federal drinking water standards.

Learn more at the GWRS website: http://www.gwrsystem.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=2

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They better start building desalination plants AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #1
If it were only so easy . . . Journeyman Mar 2015 #2
Necessity AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #3
how do you know that's the best solution? CreekDog Mar 2015 #61
I know that AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #82
Australia, Israel and Saudi Arabia do it. We can too. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #31
Its promise comes with a host of endemic problems and concerns . . . Journeyman Mar 2015 #33
Texas' Water Woes Spark Interest in Desalination Unknown Beatle Mar 2015 #36
You have to have water to recycle water. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #45
I am also skeptical about the quality of water that we will get if we rely on recycled water. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #69
California is the most liberal state in the United States yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #72
how do you know desalination is the most effective solution? CreekDog Mar 2015 #64
Recycling water? Importing water? JDPriestly Mar 2015 #68
No. No. No. No. Not Really High-Speed Rail is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #6
+1 I've heard that for the price of their high-speed rail project jonno99 Mar 2015 #57
SIXTY of them. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #75
My 3700 gallon rainwater storage is almost installed. roody Mar 2015 #7
impressive. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #9
Using fossil fuels to desalinate seawater is extreme idiocy. hunter Mar 2015 #58
frightening reality marym625 Mar 2015 #4
Where? Link? Inquiring minds want to know! nt raccoon Mar 2015 #37
This is beginning in other places as well. marym625 Mar 2015 #41
thank you for that reminder. I saw a documentary on that very subject re Syria and Water sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #73
It was also part of the documentary series marym625 Mar 2015 #74
Who/what is RT? nt raccoon Mar 2015 #84
Fog catchers? Trillo Mar 2015 #5
Wow! C Moon Mar 2015 #8
Free Rain Barrels for L.A. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2015 #10
But where's the rain to fill them with? Kablooie Mar 2015 #14
Agreed. C Moon Mar 2015 #19
It doesnt take much rain. ErikJ Mar 2015 #21
+1 C Moon Mar 2015 #46
Theyve talked about tapping water from the Columbia River ErikJ Mar 2015 #11
how would California tap water from the Columbia? nt grasswire Mar 2015 #13
Pipelines of course pumped by wind and water power plants along the Columbia. nt ErikJ Mar 2015 #16
who is "they"? grasswire Mar 2015 #51
I guess the plan was to take it from the mouth of the Columbia ErikJ Mar 2015 #67
Yes, but you have to own the water to do it. Drahthaardogs Mar 2015 #83
Really? KT2000 Mar 2015 #15
Most of Columbia's water comes from the Canadian Rockies. ErikJ Mar 2015 #17
but would Washington KT2000 Mar 2015 #34
Not just no, but hell no. This was hotly debated back in the 60s and 70s hatrack Mar 2015 #40
Thanks for this info - seem to recall KT2000 Mar 2015 #53
I remember them talking about doing this in the 80s. AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #85
Drinking water downstream from Hanford Nuclear Plant...... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #32
Oh for fuck's sake. hunter Mar 2015 #63
don't plan on using Northwest water, neighbors grasswire Mar 2015 #12
There was an op-ed piece in the LA Times recently arguing much the same. But KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #18
I live in LA but I don't feel an emergency mood here at all. Kablooie Mar 2015 #20
Great point. Decades ago, California had "drought police"... C Moon Mar 2015 #22
We just voted money for water projects. If you are in California and you vote, I hope you JDPriestly Mar 2015 #29
Put the Kardashians on it. ErikJ Mar 2015 #23
We have cut water use by over 20% already I read. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #30
I know! PasadenaTrudy Mar 2015 #54
Australia had a 12 year mega drought nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #24
Very interesting. We are going to have to have massive amounts of desalinization. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #28
Interesting take. I'd never thought about comparing energy costs like that. C Moon Mar 2015 #47
Arid desert climate, high rate of development: What could possibly go wrong? Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #25
Just barely. KamaAina Mar 2015 #49
Desalination will, in my opinion, be necessary, regardless of cost. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #26
So far it's not even being discussed. The consensus is that it's too expensive... Kablooie Mar 2015 #27
"The consensus is that it's too expensive..." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #56
Meanwhile, Rice and Almond farms continue unabated.............. thelordofhell Mar 2015 #35
Rice uses tons of water...which is why it was grown so much in colonial lowcountry SC. nt raccoon Mar 2015 #38
Yeah, I saw a program on almond farming being a huge water sucker. C Moon Mar 2015 #48
Golly gee... 99Forever Mar 2015 #39
I think current water systems just did not keep up to the rising population/longer term average. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #42
So much waste, so many thieves. raouldukelives Mar 2015 #43
Wow, that would be really scary.... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #44
What would happen is that California will do further water restrictions, that's all AZ Progressive Mar 2015 #50
Thanks. You're right about the quote. C Moon Mar 2015 #70
I am sitting across from a car wash ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 #52
If it's Folsom Glenn Car Wash, it's a certified green car wash Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #59
it is ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 #60
The certified green water goes back into the American river so Sacramento can use it Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #62
car washes are not big water wasters Amishman Mar 2015 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #55
rain barrels aren't going to solve a drought problem CreekDog Mar 2015 #66
They'll just take it from poor people. Need all the water they can get for all the valerief Mar 2015 #71
I wondered how the dairy industry would be able to survive on a desert? midnight Mar 2015 #76
California is becoming lactose intollerant. C Moon Mar 2015 #77
Interesting. midnight Mar 2015 #78
It was a lame attempt on my part at a joke. Didn't work too well. :) C Moon Mar 2015 #79
States Dangle Water to Tempt California Dairy Farmers IDemo Mar 2015 #80
O that's allright. midnight Mar 2015 #81
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