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MADem

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261. Yes, I would--you are wrong.

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 10:15 AM

Mar 2015

1. We don't know if she knowingly deceived this guy. We just do not know. You pretend you know, but you don't know.

2. If she were the mother of a member of my family's kids, then she would be a member of my family also. That's how my family plays it.

3. If this was a same sex couple, or the genders were reversed, and the roles were reversed, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. If Alan was the uneducated one caring for five children and keeping house, and Lolita was the multimillionaire with multiple degrees, university teaching experience, a wealthy investor, and the owner of a high end law firm, I would most certainly expect her to do right by the person who did the heavy lifting raising her children. And if she left her kids in a house with shit running across the front walkway due to a broken septic system, water pouring in the house due to a leaky roof, and black mold running up the walls, all documented by Channel 9 news, I'd excoriate her like I'm excoriating Mr. Grayson.

He should be ashamed of himself. You should, too.

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Why the hell is Alan Grayson going after his wife for bigamy? [View all] cali Mar 2015 OP

haven't followed this...is there something she is going after? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #1

I don't know anything about this situation, but "custody" seems like an obvious possibility. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #2

These things often go tit for tat, HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #9

What a pity for their children... fadedrose Mar 2015 #122

I don't know Grayson's personality, I know his career from afar HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #124

A starting point for your research DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #4

seems the wife should just show her divorce and marriage papers wordpix Mar 2015 #46

She doesn't have any, and there are none filed. IdaBriggs Mar 2015 #271

Pride, maybe fadedrose Mar 2015 #120

He would prefer to be worth $30 million than $15 million? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #3

If I had 30m I wouldn't miss 15m. I would be happy with the 15m Ihave./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #7

That's the kind of attitude that explains why you don't have $30 million. bluedigger Mar 2015 #17

Ex-actly. nt PCIntern Mar 2015 #26

Really?...Are you trying to explain why whathehell Mar 2015 #77

No, I'll let you make that case. bluedigger Mar 2015 #83

That would be unwise since it's your statement, lol, whathehell Mar 2015 #99

The point is that not everyone WANTS to have $30 million. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #102

No biases here.. whathehell Mar 2015 #133

I certainly wouldn't mind having 15m... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #202

I wouldn't mind having it either. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #205

Unless you are an elite athlete then you can make money hand over fist... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #206

I don't have any talent in either direction. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #207

Me neither and yes, athletes pay a price DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #209

yes, it appears so. pretty despicable behavior. cali Mar 2015 #8

Seems like they've been messed up for a long time. elleng Mar 2015 #5

Because divorce brings out the ugliest side of people. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #6

that isn't invariably true. Plenty of people get divorced without "the ugly" cali Mar 2015 #10

not universally true, granted, but it's a very real phenomenon. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #11

Most people in the public light do their best to have an amiable divorce. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #14

Ted Kennedy was also extraordinarily gracious, even to his political opponents. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #16

I can't blame him for being pissed. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #12

He had 5 kids with her. 5. and how long has he known that she was supposedly cali Mar 2015 #13

Legally you're probably right. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #19

He's worth 30 million. He looks like a pig going after her in this way cali Mar 2015 #20

He's giving her a home and paying $2400... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #25

2400 a month is pathetically little for 5 kids. cali Mar 2015 #33

Actually it's pretty good since he's also providing a house. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #34

No, it sure as hell isn't. And particularly when he's worth 30 million. cali Mar 2015 #42

how old are the kids from a 1990 marriage? wordpix Mar 2015 #47

As I understand it, only one is over 18. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #50

2400 is generous? yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #35

$2400 plus a home to live in. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #38

I know there was a home included yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #43

You think he should pay all of their expenses... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #52

yes. I think he should pay so they all live in the manner in which they lived cali Mar 2015 #56

He's suing for custody, so the point might soon be moot. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #62

I don't think anyone should have the right to be supported "in the manner in which they lived". dawg Mar 2015 #100

Are you serious? yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #68

Then simply tell your kids "no" and move on NickB79 Mar 2015 #134

Lol. Today it is not that easy. yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #138

What makes it really different today? eShirl Mar 2015 #245

I have two kids of my own. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #157

For 5 kids? Okay "only" 4 if one is 18 (as if that's really the cutoff for expenses) MH1 Mar 2015 #65

Do you think they don't also get money from their dad? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #159

A home with a failed septic system and shitwater running across the front walk, and running mold in MADem Mar 2015 #246

Per post 34, a free house is included. arcane1 Mar 2015 #39

My father divorced my mother after 39 years of marriage. We were all grown. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #55

Just from what I read, his divorce lawyer found out that she was still married to that Nay Mar 2015 #21

I also read that he has not stopped supporting the family at this point. He needs to calm down and jwirr Mar 2015 #27

amazing Grayson's aide was there to tape it� and only got PARTIAL footage. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #79

Not amazing, I don't think; it was taped on purpose so there would be a record in Nay Mar 2015 #125

Isn't there a common law thingy to cover the length of this marriage fadedrose Mar 2015 #117

No, Florida has no common law statute. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #128

Even if Fl had a comon law statute, it wouldn't aopoply if sdhe was committing bigamy. napi21 Mar 2015 #155

The kids will be taken care of. Ideally in the custody of the parent who isn't a batterer. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #140

The kids are being hurt by the nasty shit he's tossing into the mix. cali Mar 2015 #168

I don't have time nor fredamae Mar 2015 #15

fair enough. I disagree. and I don't think this has anything to do with cali Mar 2015 #18

It seems like it would be really easy to prove one way or another. avebury Mar 2015 #22

I believe she says she divorced him in Guam. That might be harder to get paperwork from. Shrike47 Mar 2015 #24

Except I would hope that she would have been avebury Mar 2015 #28

She claims the Guam officials threw the paperwork away csziggy Mar 2015 #109

Again, she was stupid to have not kept a set of the papers at the avebury Mar 2015 #110

True - keep everything! Plus, how has she existed without those papers? csziggy Mar 2015 #123

+1 treestar Mar 2015 #264

If she was already divorced in Guam, why a second divorce four years after marrying Grayson? stevenleser Mar 2015 #129

Yep - either it was a total coincidence that a man named Robert A. Carson csziggy Mar 2015 #135

And given her propensity for lying, like about the domestic violence, its easy to see that she is stevenleser Mar 2015 #136

we do NOT know that she lied about domestic violence. We do know that court granted cali Mar 2015 #181

We know. Their adult daughter backs up his version of events. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #267

They are getting divorced. They are angry and bitter. It happens to a lot of people. Shrike47 Mar 2015 #23

not for people in the public eye. cali Mar 2015 #31

Wouldn't bigamy be a horrible thing to do to the kids? arcane1 Mar 2015 #29

I think it reflects on just who he is- and reflects very poorly. cali Mar 2015 #32

Hold up a sec here. If she lied to him about it for all those years, isn't he the victim in this? nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #36

How do we know that she lied? We don't at this point. MADem Mar 2015 #107

we don't know she lied. cali Mar 2015 #164

It reflects most poorly on her. His biggest error was, apparently, marrying her. arcane1 Mar 2015 #37

first of all, he's the one with the money and power cali Mar 2015 #41

"she qualified for food stamps" where's the link? wordpix Mar 2015 #48

here you go. cali Mar 2015 #59

I am amazed that in Florida one can get food stamps dsc Mar 2015 #113

Federal poverty levels puts a family of 5 at $28,410. tammywammy Mar 2015 #115

Not enough according to whom? This is curtain-twitching at its worst. arcane1 Mar 2015 #49

if he gave birth 5x and raised the kids and kept house for the wealthy wife so she could pursue KittyWampus Mar 2015 #81

And we should all be ashamed of ourselves for gossip-mongering about someone's personal life. arcane1 Mar 2015 #96

Maybe she can't get a job fadedrose Mar 2015 #119

She's probably not well educated, either. MADem Mar 2015 #152

Exactly, I can't believe anyone is actually sticking up for this greedy smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #58

I don't think he is republican, that is why he is getting some cover. namastea42 Mar 2015 #118

Not only is he a Democrat, he's a fellow DUer. And, one of the strongest liberals in Congress. n/t Coventina Mar 2015 #170

And that's what's most distressing. MADem Mar 2015 #247

He's a Democrat fadedrose Mar 2015 #121

is there reason to believe that she is one? LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #30

Bingo! NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #40

No one would be angry at the woman if this was reversed stevenleser Mar 2015 #44

Very good points! arcane1 Mar 2015 #51

If he had been a stay at home dad responsible for all the childcare and keeping house cali Mar 2015 #57

I don't buy it. I just don't. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #60

Because who cares about a whopping big legal fraud LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #64

If reversed, people would be calling the guy every nasty name in the book for lying about being stevenleser Mar 2015 #66

AND to make her even less sympathetic, we know she lied about the domestic violence accusation stevenleser Mar 2015 #67

I remember now- last time this topic came up you were totally over the top defending Grayson. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #85

Except, we have lie upon lie committed by her. At some point, Occam's razor... stevenleser Mar 2015 #92

Oh, please, I feel sooooooo sorry for him... fadedrose Mar 2015 #116

Whether you feel sorry for him is not at issue. There is no marriage because she was already stevenleser Mar 2015 #126

Come on--they got married in Virginia a quarter century ago. MADem Mar 2015 #235

The amount of time she managed to pull off the fraud is an aggravating factor not a mitigating one stevenleser Mar 2015 #239

Didn't she only manage to "pull off this fraud" till 1995? kcr Mar 2015 #243

No. Because the fraud made their marriage invalid from the beginning, it is a fraud all along stevenleser Mar 2015 #250

No, because it doesn't make sense. Not when the divorce happened back in 1995. kcr Mar 2015 #266

A wealthy lawyer who taught law at George Washington and owns a high - priced law firm in MADem Mar 2015 #248

I'm just sorry that we can no longer use the rack and thumbscrews on hardened criminals Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #251

And if someone ever does what she did to my kid, I would wish for the good old days too. stevenleser Mar 2015 #254

lol! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #255

Yep, that's what I thought. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #256

You keep getting down with your bad self, steven lesser. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #257

I'm always down with fairness and the facts. That's how I roll. But you keep making it ad hominem. stevenleser Mar 2015 #259

... Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #260

Oh, I know I'm right. Your position is completely indefensible. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #263

How can my position be indefensible?? Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #277

When we see this same situation but with Republican players, I will believe you namastea42 Mar 2015 #282

It's not like Mrs Grayson had another family across town namastea42 Mar 2015 #160

You sound like a Mother fadedrose Mar 2015 #175

Yes to all of this kcr Mar 2015 #184

there is zero question. What she did fits the legal definition of bigamy. Nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #188

Some good lawyers could claim he is being mentally cruel to his family. Nt namastea42 Mar 2015 #189

No, they couldn't. The one who is mentally cruel is the one who perpetrated a 20+ year stevenleser Mar 2015 #191

You seem very deeply invested in protecting Grayson. namastea42 Mar 2015 #195

I'm deeply invested in the truth and fairness and a non gender biased viewpoint. stevenleser Mar 2015 #242

''There is zero chance you feel the same way...'' namastea42 Mar 2015 #273

Yes, completely agree with you, Steve. closeupready Mar 2015 #98

I'd love to hear under what other circumstances LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #142

Exactly. This is why I say people doing this are exhibiting gender bias. In no other situation stevenleser Mar 2015 #187

Agreed for the most part LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #212

Nothing more than mommyhood kcr Mar 2015 #223

Placed up against a felony act resulting in a fraudulent marriage? LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #224

I'm interested in why you feel a legal technicality is more relevant kcr Mar 2015 #225

What other forms of fraud do you feel are mere "technicalities"? LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #229

What other technicalities do you mistakenly feel are fraud? kcr Mar 2015 #237

ah CatWoman Mar 2015 #144

WRONG. Not if he raised 5 kids and kept house while the wife pursued her career. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #82

It wouldn't matter if they stayed home and raised the kids or not LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #105

That's unlikely to happen treestar Mar 2015 #265

There's still wage inequality, so it doesn't happen as often, but that is starting to shift. MADem Mar 2015 #276

Yeah, he'd be better off making it as amicable as possible treestar Mar 2015 #281

Because he is a jerk? Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #45

When you stay at home for twenty years or more, SheilaT Mar 2015 #53

that's it in a nutshell. cali Mar 2015 #54

Exactly sammythecat Mar 2015 #112

+1! RiverLover Mar 2015 #163

Not if he runs as a Republican fadedrose Mar 2015 #61

She is married to someone else and he is a bad husband? Maybe she is a lying golddigger trying for TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #63

oh for fuck's sake. they were together for 24 YEARS. They had 5 childre cali Mar 2015 #70

If married 2 or 3 years then yes, but over 20 years? yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #71

She should be rewarded because she pulled a lie and fraud off for that long and involved children? stevenleser Mar 2015 #72

I see it being more about the kids than her. namastea42 Mar 2015 #76

The kids aren't important. He wants to hurt this woman.... fadedrose Mar 2015 #84

Strom Thurmond./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #156

I agree. The kids should be taken away from her for involving them in this fraud stevenleser Mar 2015 #86

It is harmful to take kids away from their mom who has raised them. namastea42 Mar 2015 #90

It's harmful to take kids away from their dad who raised them. It's even worse stevenleser Mar 2015 #93

he didn't raise them. she was a stay at home mom and wife. cali Mar 2015 #145

You have no evidence to say he didn't raise them. You are making stuff up. stevenleser Mar 2015 #190

You have the gall to accuse me of making stuff up? How amusing. cali Mar 2015 #199

Yep, and what you wrote is exactly the point. We don't know and you are assuming stevenleser Mar 2015 #231

People have done much more for way longer to get far less. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #73

Anyone who pulls what she pulled deserves nothing from him, and a prosecution from the state. stevenleser Mar 2015 #75

If it was a woman they'd be out for blood over the betrayal and would be howling to bust eardrums TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #106

May as well throw this in, why not: namastea42 Mar 2015 #213

I bet you were never pregant fadedrose Mar 2015 #89

See my #92. Nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #94

Changes nothing I said. If she was providing services then a contract was in order TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #103

tough way to be a gold digger� giving birth 5x and raising the kids over twenty five years. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #88

It occurred to me when I was getting ready to get married again after divorcing my CTyankee Mar 2015 #69

Nice how a millionaire lets his kids get on food stamps. bravenak Mar 2015 #74

We don't often agree on much, but we agree on this one. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #78

I presume because he's an asshole. tabasco Mar 2015 #80

Why do you give a shit about their personal business? giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #87

Thank you! dorkzilla Mar 2015 #91

+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Mar 2015 #95

nope. sorry. he's a public figure and this is news. cali Mar 2015 #146

No, it's called petty gossip regardless of who the person is. giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #154

Well he posts here why don't you send him a PM and ask? Rex Mar 2015 #97

Here's the thing cali... trumad Mar 2015 #101

Thank you.. giftedgirl77 Mar 2015 #111

what obsession, trumad? do tell. I hardly post a lot about him. cali Mar 2015 #147

He doesn't want her to get half. MADem Mar 2015 #104

Its easy to look like an asshole JonLP24 Mar 2015 #132

Well, this is an ugly divorce. He is a very wealthy man and he has children that should MADem Mar 2015 #137

I more see it from your POV JonLP24 Mar 2015 #141

you said it all, and you said it so well. cali Mar 2015 #148

Hopefully this is just being used as leverage in a divorce settlement LittleBlue Mar 2015 #108

Looks like he hates women. nt greytdemocrat Mar 2015 #114

Looks like a bunch of trolls in this thread trumad Mar 2015 #127

jury results irisblue Mar 2015 #131

as phony as John Edwards. BUt then you were also a big JE fan, weren't you? cali Mar 2015 #149

Dude is my God Damn Congressman.. trumad Mar 2015 #166

oh please. do you know him personally? If you don't cali Mar 2015 #167

Do you know him personally... trumad Mar 2015 #198

Great progressives can be lousy husbands and fathers. MADem Mar 2015 #151

And you know this how? trumad Mar 2015 #165

Excuse me? "Great progressives can be lousy husbands and fathers." MADem Mar 2015 #233

do you even here yourself? trumad Mar 2015 #236

It's hear, and I do hear myself--I object to making children victims when parents have spats. MADem Mar 2015 #238

But She is the one who involved the children when she had them in what only she knew was a stevenleser Mar 2015 #241

Wow--I am appalled at your comments, genuinely APPALLED. MADem Mar 2015 #244

I am appalled at yours as well. There is no way you would accept someone doing what she did stevenleser Mar 2015 #249

Yes, I would--you are wrong. MADem Mar 2015 #261

I don't buy it, I just don't. You don't base your life with someone on a lie and expect it to be OK. stevenleser Mar 2015 #262

You have no measure of forgiveness? No measure of compassion? And that's assuming she DID lie... MADem Mar 2015 #268

Alan Grayson loses 18 million in fraud scheme: namastea42 Mar 2015 #283

. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #143

It doesn't look good saying being home looking after kids and house namastea42 Mar 2015 #162

Money, money, money money money money, the only thing that matters to those people CBGLuthier Mar 2015 #130

Because no jury would side with him over her documented domestic violence. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #139

That's it in a nut shell. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #158

3 possible reasons, Rincewind Mar 2015 #150

love him admire him he inspires me ALBliberal Mar 2015 #153

Because rjsquirrel Mar 2015 #161

Whew, it is a good thing Alan doesn't read or post here. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #169

His office posts here. Are you sure that he personally posts? cali Mar 2015 #171

Yes I agree, best to chase him away and make sure this place is toxic for all Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #172

oh for pity's sake. melodrama much? As if this would chase him away. cali Mar 2015 #174

For sure. Not a "true" progressive. As I said: well done! Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #176

to suggest 2400/mo is all that. insurance and taxes, utilities and mainteniance of a huge house seabeyond Mar 2015 #173

He says he pays for the house and utilities. tammywammy Mar 2015 #177

do you know for a fact, he is not including the 2400 a month with utilities/insurance/maintenience? seabeyond Mar 2015 #179

I don't know for a fact, but that's what he says tammywammy Mar 2015 #182

do you have a source for Grayson knowing about the blip in her divorce process? cali Mar 2015 #180

i read it about 3 months ago. happened in early 90's when she was informed the divorce did not go seabeyond Mar 2015 #183

By and large, it's Alan Grayson who has been villified. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #210

Just to clarify your point of view on this... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #227

dont know wtf you are talking about, dude. you are going to have to be much more clear, when wanting seabeyond Mar 2015 #228

Ask and you shall receive, seabeyond. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #230

So once again, do you or do you not think a woman should get 70% in a divorce? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #291

did you read the subthread? where am i wrong? nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #292

I guess I'm not going to get an answer. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #293

no. if you are unwilling to consider a conversation being had, no. you will not seabeyond Mar 2015 #294

You want me to tell you what is wrong with thinking that a woman is entitled to 70%? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #295

you did not read, right? i am done. this is inevtiably how conversations are with you, hence, seabeyond Mar 2015 #296

Actually, yes, I read it all. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #297

Who are we to judge here? Generic Brad Mar 2015 #178

he's a public figure- and were he a republican, we sure as hell wouldn't be hearing cali Mar 2015 #186

Speak for yourself Generic Brad Mar 2015 #201

How has he chosen to make this a public matter? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #253

Bigamy is a legal status. It's a legal argument. And she's abusive. DirkGently Mar 2015 #185

she did divorce him. Grayson is using a divorce decree from 1994 cali Mar 2015 #196

Nope. The daughter was an eyewitness AND there is video. Only the wife attacked. DirkGently Mar 2015 #218

that doesn't mean that he hasn't been physically abusive toward her on other cali Mar 2015 #220

You approve her shoving and lying to police, and DirkGently Mar 2015 #221

"she shoved him. hardly abuse." NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #222

There is a minute missing from that video, and there's an encounter in the house not seen. MADem Mar 2015 #234

Exactly. The adult daughter backs Alan up. The arguments by some here are ridiculous. stevenleser Mar 2015 #252

My uncle was married for 30 years, when he was found to be a bigamist. Pathwalker Mar 2015 #192

Exactly. All this garbage from people saying he is the bad guy is B.S. stevenleser Mar 2015 #194

That's their business, just like Monica was the Clintons' business. More than half the population sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #193

sorry, the reality is that these things are part of politics. cali Mar 2015 #197

That's your opinion. You still don't Know a thing about their private lives, nor should you. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #204

If Monica bore Bill Clinton five children I would have been the first to argue they deserved... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #203

Wait a minute. A couple of days ago you told me your only principle was "Dem good, Republican bad". Marr Mar 2015 #217

We are conflating several issues. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #219

If Grayson was a repuke in the exact same situation rather than a progressive darling cali Mar 2015 #200

And if a Republican was in the exact same situation as Hillary regarding emails Fumesucker Mar 2015 #211

As a partisan I would try to make as much political hay as possible. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #214

It's not a huge issue to me, don't care either way Fumesucker Mar 2015 #215

I don't know what happened... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #216

''Scientists have studied for years this difficult question of why some people have a conscience namastea42 Mar 2015 #208

Just read through this thread and color me surprised, guess who is suspicious of Grayson NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #226

sorry, I'm a progressive. A Bernie Sanders progressive. cali Mar 2015 #270

That's pretty congruent with my opinion of him. Barack_America Mar 2015 #232

1) Grayson has no chance at higher office. Most who follow him are aware of this. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #240

Don't know the whole story, plus I see no need to pass judgement. I don't pass judgement on Bill djean111 Mar 2015 #258

I would assume he is into "accountability". IdaBriggs Mar 2015 #269

If it's true that she was divorced in 1994, she spent 19 years not as a bigamist cali Mar 2015 #272

I am astounded that more people who subscribe to this board don't "get" that. MADem Mar 2015 #274

they don't get it because he's a progressive darling. cali Mar 2015 #279

To me, a "progressive darling" is a parent who looks out for their kids. MADem Mar 2015 #290

Cali, you can't make the relationship a LEGAL MARRIAGE because it wasn't one IdaBriggs Mar 2015 #275

Oh please. This isn't about whether or not it was a legal marriage. cali Mar 2015 #278

"This isn't about whether or not it was a legal marriage." DISAGREE. IdaBriggs Mar 2015 #280

If it's not about what's legal, then what is it about? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #286

Congressman Grayson Is A Member On DU, PM Him Ask Him Personally... Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #284

My ex handled a few cases like this Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2015 #285

Were any of them together with multiple kids for 25 years? kcr Mar 2015 #287

This was pro bono, these men had nothing Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2015 #289

I knew of a few cases like that when I was in the Air Force. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #288