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97. Clarification - I am 100% for a union in for-profit entities and against them in non-profits

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:06 PM

Mar 2015

I am also against big salaries for top honchos everywhere ( should be restricted to 5x of median Salary instead of the current 500x)

I am for Union representation in the board of directors like it is in Germany.

My opposition to Unions in govt organizations is that no one is trying to squeeze them dry -- and without any natural adversaries they grow too powerful and comfortable.

NJ cops negotiate rules and go about gaming them.. They pull in big pensions ( 6 figures) by age 50 , mostly by racking up overtime in the last couple years of employment .... You should see them .. sitting in a car all day next to pipe/road repair with their police car lights on , when all that is needed is a orange warning sign.. There is major fucking abuse .. which I pay for through my taxes.

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When every single Republican is anti-union, why are so many DUers anti-union too? [View all] Omaha Steve Mar 2015 OP

I'd like to know, too. nt antigop Mar 2015 #1

Simple, right-wingers have joined the Democratic Party at the highest levels, not even weakening ... Scuba Mar 2015 #58

Just like Charlie Crist. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #75

And DWS. Scuba Mar 2015 #76

Just like Mario Cuomo donnasgirl Mar 2015 #80

Mario Cuomo? KamaAina Mar 2015 #90

My Apology donnasgirl Mar 2015 #91

You mean Andrew Cuomo. brush Mar 2015 #96

Born a wobblie The Green Manalishi Mar 2015 #104

I'd like to know what you're talking about brooklynite Mar 2015 #2

Have you ever visited and posted the Labor Group Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #9

No, but we're in GD; your audience might be different. brooklynite Mar 2015 #14

In LBN you made this post Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #15

How is this reflective of being "anti-Union" at DU? brooklynite Mar 2015 #19

Apparently its "all or nothing" sometimes. I get ragged on it as well. nt 7962 Mar 2015 #73

There's only one thread on the front page of the Labor Group with more than 2 replies Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #16

yes NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #32

+1 BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #82

I didn't know that groups had a front page marym625 Mar 2015 #161

It does seem that way Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #3

There appears to be an especially anti teacher union vibe here since a basketball player Dragonfli Mar 2015 #137

There are two obvious responses. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #4

id like to know why theyre against unions Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #5

Being anti-some unions or... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #6

+1. Auto unions too ErikJ Mar 2015 #12

Here is a good example...BTW, I didnt know union workers all drove gas guzzlers... NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #35

UAW has always opposed higher CAFE standards but recently not ErikJ Mar 2015 #57

Longshoremen driving gas guzzlers and an auto union being against those standards because NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #60

It doesnt mean I'm against unions, which give democracy and equity in the workplace. ErikJ Mar 2015 #70

You can balance the issue, the 999 times out of 1000 where there isnt an environmental NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #101

The President of The United Steelworkers is against pipeline Go Vols Mar 2015 #118

USW President Leo Gerard Talks "Good Jobs, Green Jobs" Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #132

need more like him Go Vols Mar 2015 #133

I remember when sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #92

I drove a VW Beetle when I worked at GM. . B Calm Mar 2015 #153

Believe it or not, it's possible to be against those industries without being against those workers Major Nikon Mar 2015 #122

What are these DUers saying? upaloopa Mar 2015 #7

In education threads, there is a lot of anti-teacher sentiment BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #84

So because of bad ones we need to screw upaloopa Mar 2015 #94

Has he ( Obama) ever even MET any? Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #126

Rec #5. I'd like to know. pintobean Mar 2015 #8

More than a century of right propaganda against unions has born fruit. If they tell a lie Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #10

It is deep in the psyche of all Americans, ask anyone what they think of unions you might as NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #37

Ronald Reagan broke the back of the unions, I think. Hekate Mar 2015 #113

Saint Ronnie broke the back of one union Major Nikon Mar 2015 #125

First rock in the avalanche, or something like that Hekate Mar 2015 #127

The avalanche had already started Major Nikon Mar 2015 #129

The anti-union kool aide flows freely through our mass media... hunter Mar 2015 #11

Anyone who has ever worked to unionize their own workplace has been through the propaganda jwirr Mar 2015 #36

because propaganda works on more than just idiots Skittles Mar 2015 #13

Very important to acknowledge this randr Mar 2015 #17

why are you assuming that the claim in the OP is true? I have seen NOTHING on Du cali Mar 2015 #20

+1000 Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #114

why don't you post a poll then? Find out. I see massive support for unions on DU cali Mar 2015 #18

I am anti public sector unions .. they have a very cushy life and get great benefits that rest of us srican69 Mar 2015 #21

ugh. Yes, right. your little anecdotal stories are just sooo convincing. cali Mar 2015 #22

THANK YOU!!! Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #24

and what is wrong with that? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #27

So instead of wanting everyone to have what they have, a race to the top, you want them and NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #38

+1 Go Vols Mar 2015 #43

+1000 abelenkpe Mar 2015 #83

Big Money divides and conquers. Orsino Mar 2015 #86

Oh boy, those teachers. Just rolling in it. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #46

Teachers get fucked ..Big time .. I even doubt they will be much worse off without the Union srican69 Mar 2015 #51

They are much worse off without the union. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #54

I just think teachers should be employees of the state rather than local school dist srican69 Mar 2015 #59

Giving the Scott Walkers, Bruce Rauners, et al an easier path to squeezing teachers directly. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2015 #160

Without a teacher's union AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #67

Bullshit alarimer Mar 2015 #64

Comment turbinetree Mar 2015 #81

Clarification - I am 100% for a union in for-profit entities and against them in non-profits srican69 Mar 2015 #97

So.... nonprofit employees don't need protections against labor exploitation? TygrBright Mar 2015 #111

+1,000 TygrBright Hekate Mar 2015 #115

thanks for your detailed response srican69 Mar 2015 #123

Well said! n/t Stellar Mar 2015 #151

Response turbinetree Mar 2015 #116

I can post any number of articles to back my claim .. but here are a couple srican69 Mar 2015 #99

The fact that a few people take advantage of the system is not proof they all do. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #117

troll RedstDem Mar 2015 #103

Yeah ok. Cool story bro. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #110

You mean a living wage, OSHA standards, health & retirement benefits? Why shouldn't every worker... Hekate Mar 2015 #112

Is that the fault of the union or the owners - TBF Mar 2015 #131

Never thought I'd see the day Oilwellian Mar 2015 #134

+1 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #144

Raises the cost? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #140

You've got to be kidding gollygee Mar 2015 #157

Should I be mad that my BIL loves his non-union job at Honda? nt Logical Mar 2015 #23

Many non American companies treat workers better upaloopa Mar 2015 #33

I can confirm this (at least on an anecdotal level). The work I do is not a position bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #45

I learned this in college upaloopa Mar 2015 #50

If we could only adopt that philosophy. Way too much interest on short-term profits nowadays. Hoyt Mar 2015 #128

You should be mad at Walmart and Target and a few hundred other companies NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #39

dlc-new democrat-third way strategy betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #25

Hmm... ananda Mar 2015 #26

I will take ANY corruption in ANY Union over what the Walton family does to America NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #41

They are not traditional Democrats - they're New Democrats. Maedhros Mar 2015 #28

BINGO! nt antigop Mar 2015 #109

Because they are like crabs in a bucket. 99Forever Mar 2015 #29

I know you're busy, but I keep on seeing this anti-union complaint. What do you mean? freshwest Mar 2015 #30

I didn't realize that DUers were anti-union. Progressives have traditional been on the side of still_one Mar 2015 #31

"So many"? Iggo Mar 2015 #34

And the last time you made a pro labor or worker post was? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #40

We have seen anti union posts on this thread. But you have to forgive them to some extent NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #42

Point me to the anti labor posters. Iggo Mar 2015 #55

U mean like when only 3% of DUers comment on a strike story? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #62

An anti-union DUer is an anti-DUer. nt valerief Mar 2015 #44

how many are so many? 70%, 40%, 18%, or .3%. I'm not sure what your'e fishing for juxtaposed Mar 2015 #47

Well, that's easy Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #48

Too bad we're not allowed to call them out. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #49

You are correct. Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #63

i had a response in a thread PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #120

Nice to run into you, PowerToThePeople! Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #138

Because BubbaFett Mar 2015 #52

What do they say when you ask them? tridim Mar 2015 #53

I criticize my OWN union because it's basically corrupt. But.... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #56

I'd like to know too. namastea42 Mar 2015 #61

The UAW Made The Middle-Class Go Vols Mar 2015 #65

Proud member of a Classroom Teacher's Associaton here AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #66

I always ask this question of anti Union people kimbutgar Mar 2015 #68

I'm not anti-union....but teachers and cops unions have to police their own better. msanthrope Mar 2015 #69

I'm only "anti-the union I used to be in". But not anti-Union 7962 Mar 2015 #71

American have a streak of independence in them maindawg Mar 2015 #72

:/ Go Vols Mar 2015 #79

"Big Tent." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #74

I know union members that are Republican and this is what I said to thme once INdemo Mar 2015 #77

Some of the most anti union people I know are LibDemAlways Mar 2015 #78

It's only certain unions. Codeine Mar 2015 #85

I drive a Ford Ranger. Just for the record. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #139

Group think works to everyone's disadvantage. randome Mar 2015 #87

I've only become anti-police unions. Otherwise, I am pro-union. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #88

Thanks Omaha Steve guillaumeb Mar 2015 #89

I don't go much further than the main page.... Chakaconcarne Mar 2015 #93

"Leveraged Buyout" of Dem platform by Third Way daredtowork Mar 2015 #95

I suggest you do a follow up post with a poll. MicaelS Mar 2015 #98

I would love to.see that. ncjustice80 Mar 2015 #119

You just made my point. n/t MicaelS Mar 2015 #124

Many are just misinformed. JohnnyRingo Mar 2015 #100

Bit of a broad brush don't ya think? d_legendary1 Mar 2015 #102

Steve, it's one of those things that makes you go Hmmmmm. Hekate Mar 2015 #105

bourgeois dilettantism exists rustbeltvoice Mar 2015 #106

Every single Republican is not anti-union which you cannot prove so stop saying that! KamaAina Mar 2015 #107

Koch money bought them. Jakes Progress Mar 2015 #108

Im 100% pro-union with ONE exception. ncjustice80 Mar 2015 #121

That is an excellent observation. K&R nt TBF Mar 2015 #130

There are two Dem Parties and, thus, two DUs. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #135

there's an app for that! (just kidding but there is an OP that explains it.) Dragonfli Mar 2015 #136

I'n not sure why so many of them seem to be anti-union. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #141

there are many duers addicted to hate radio and Fox. Doctor_J Mar 2015 #142

Have never understood iy marym625 Mar 2015 #143

What is the sound of a question answering itself, Grasshopper? Zorra Mar 2015 #145

Many Republicans aren't anti-union - police, firemen, NFL donna123 Mar 2015 #146

The easiest way to tell if a Democrat or anyone else does or does not support labor is to anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #147

one flaw DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #148

Only a few VW's are union made and those are imported from Germany anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #149

That's only true if they buy a new car. Orrex Mar 2015 #155

Simplistic as hell. I see plenty of the most anti union folks around driving American TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #162

I don't know about DUers being anti-union, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #150

yes, freedom from unions, sweet tax deals, in some cases free building sites HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #158

It's a Failure of the Imagination Demeter Mar 2015 #152

I'm going to weigh in against my better judgment.. sendero Mar 2015 #154

Because, not surprisingly, DUers include a lot of exceptionalists HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #156

SEIU - Florida Special Education Paraprofessional - School tried to deny OT pay HockeyMom Mar 2015 #159