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Smarmie Doofus

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135. There are two Dem Parties and, thus, two DUs.

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:29 PM

Mar 2015

It goes back to the VN days.

There's the middle-class, upper middle-class DEMs who trace their ideological lineage to the late sixties.... children of the upper middle class who became enlightened ( and then revolted) over VN. It was bad news. After all, it could get them fucking KILLED. They are college educated, liberal, "artsy" and often Ivy League.
Examples are: Obama, Clinton et al . The corporate DEMS.

Then there are the lower-middle class/working class DEMS. Their unions tended to SUPPORT VN. And recoiled against the privileged middle class opposition. (See above.)

The Ivy Leaguers were RIGHT about VN and the union DEMS wrong. Consequently, the Ivy League DEMs still don't understand unions and the working class. Culturally, they are corporate Republicans.

The union DEMS were wrong about VN; but were, and ARE right... in spite of themselves.... about everything else.

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When every single Republican is anti-union, why are so many DUers anti-union too? [View all] Omaha Steve Mar 2015 OP

I'd like to know, too. nt antigop Mar 2015 #1

Simple, right-wingers have joined the Democratic Party at the highest levels, not even weakening ... Scuba Mar 2015 #58

Just like Charlie Crist. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #75

And DWS. Scuba Mar 2015 #76

Just like Mario Cuomo donnasgirl Mar 2015 #80

Mario Cuomo? KamaAina Mar 2015 #90

My Apology donnasgirl Mar 2015 #91

You mean Andrew Cuomo. brush Mar 2015 #96

Born a wobblie The Green Manalishi Mar 2015 #104

I'd like to know what you're talking about brooklynite Mar 2015 #2

Have you ever visited and posted the Labor Group Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #9

No, but we're in GD; your audience might be different. brooklynite Mar 2015 #14

In LBN you made this post Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #15

How is this reflective of being "anti-Union" at DU? brooklynite Mar 2015 #19

Apparently its "all or nothing" sometimes. I get ragged on it as well. nt 7962 Mar 2015 #73

There's only one thread on the front page of the Labor Group with more than 2 replies Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #16

yes NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #32

+1 BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #82

I didn't know that groups had a front page marym625 Mar 2015 #161

It does seem that way Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #3

There appears to be an especially anti teacher union vibe here since a basketball player Dragonfli Mar 2015 #137

There are two obvious responses. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #4

id like to know why theyre against unions Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #5

Being anti-some unions or... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #6

+1. Auto unions too ErikJ Mar 2015 #12

Here is a good example...BTW, I didnt know union workers all drove gas guzzlers... NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #35

UAW has always opposed higher CAFE standards but recently not ErikJ Mar 2015 #57

Longshoremen driving gas guzzlers and an auto union being against those standards because NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #60

It doesnt mean I'm against unions, which give democracy and equity in the workplace. ErikJ Mar 2015 #70

You can balance the issue, the 999 times out of 1000 where there isnt an environmental NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #101

The President of The United Steelworkers is against pipeline Go Vols Mar 2015 #118

USW President Leo Gerard Talks "Good Jobs, Green Jobs" Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #132

need more like him Go Vols Mar 2015 #133

I remember when sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #92

I drove a VW Beetle when I worked at GM. . B Calm Mar 2015 #153

Believe it or not, it's possible to be against those industries without being against those workers Major Nikon Mar 2015 #122

What are these DUers saying? upaloopa Mar 2015 #7

In education threads, there is a lot of anti-teacher sentiment BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #84

So because of bad ones we need to screw upaloopa Mar 2015 #94

Has he ( Obama) ever even MET any? Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #126

Rec #5. I'd like to know. pintobean Mar 2015 #8

More than a century of right propaganda against unions has born fruit. If they tell a lie Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #10

It is deep in the psyche of all Americans, ask anyone what they think of unions you might as NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #37

Ronald Reagan broke the back of the unions, I think. Hekate Mar 2015 #113

Saint Ronnie broke the back of one union Major Nikon Mar 2015 #125

First rock in the avalanche, or something like that Hekate Mar 2015 #127

The avalanche had already started Major Nikon Mar 2015 #129

The anti-union kool aide flows freely through our mass media... hunter Mar 2015 #11

Anyone who has ever worked to unionize their own workplace has been through the propaganda jwirr Mar 2015 #36

because propaganda works on more than just idiots Skittles Mar 2015 #13

Very important to acknowledge this randr Mar 2015 #17

why are you assuming that the claim in the OP is true? I have seen NOTHING on Du cali Mar 2015 #20

+1000 Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #114

why don't you post a poll then? Find out. I see massive support for unions on DU cali Mar 2015 #18

I am anti public sector unions .. they have a very cushy life and get great benefits that rest of us srican69 Mar 2015 #21

ugh. Yes, right. your little anecdotal stories are just sooo convincing. cali Mar 2015 #22

THANK YOU!!! Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #24

and what is wrong with that? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #27

So instead of wanting everyone to have what they have, a race to the top, you want them and NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #38

+1 Go Vols Mar 2015 #43

+1000 abelenkpe Mar 2015 #83

Big Money divides and conquers. Orsino Mar 2015 #86

Oh boy, those teachers. Just rolling in it. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #46

Teachers get fucked ..Big time .. I even doubt they will be much worse off without the Union srican69 Mar 2015 #51

They are much worse off without the union. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #54

I just think teachers should be employees of the state rather than local school dist srican69 Mar 2015 #59

Giving the Scott Walkers, Bruce Rauners, et al an easier path to squeezing teachers directly. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2015 #160

Without a teacher's union AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #67

Bullshit alarimer Mar 2015 #64

Comment turbinetree Mar 2015 #81

Clarification - I am 100% for a union in for-profit entities and against them in non-profits srican69 Mar 2015 #97

So.... nonprofit employees don't need protections against labor exploitation? TygrBright Mar 2015 #111

+1,000 TygrBright Hekate Mar 2015 #115

thanks for your detailed response srican69 Mar 2015 #123

Well said! n/t Stellar Mar 2015 #151

Response turbinetree Mar 2015 #116

I can post any number of articles to back my claim .. but here are a couple srican69 Mar 2015 #99

The fact that a few people take advantage of the system is not proof they all do. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #117

troll RedstDem Mar 2015 #103

Yeah ok. Cool story bro. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #110

You mean a living wage, OSHA standards, health & retirement benefits? Why shouldn't every worker... Hekate Mar 2015 #112

Is that the fault of the union or the owners - TBF Mar 2015 #131

Never thought I'd see the day Oilwellian Mar 2015 #134

+1 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #144

Raises the cost? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #140

You've got to be kidding gollygee Mar 2015 #157

Should I be mad that my BIL loves his non-union job at Honda? nt Logical Mar 2015 #23

Many non American companies treat workers better upaloopa Mar 2015 #33

I can confirm this (at least on an anecdotal level). The work I do is not a position bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #45

I learned this in college upaloopa Mar 2015 #50

If we could only adopt that philosophy. Way too much interest on short-term profits nowadays. Hoyt Mar 2015 #128

You should be mad at Walmart and Target and a few hundred other companies NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #39

dlc-new democrat-third way strategy betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #25

Hmm... ananda Mar 2015 #26

I will take ANY corruption in ANY Union over what the Walton family does to America NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #41

They are not traditional Democrats - they're New Democrats. Maedhros Mar 2015 #28

BINGO! nt antigop Mar 2015 #109

Because they are like crabs in a bucket. 99Forever Mar 2015 #29

I know you're busy, but I keep on seeing this anti-union complaint. What do you mean? freshwest Mar 2015 #30

I didn't realize that DUers were anti-union. Progressives have traditional been on the side of still_one Mar 2015 #31

"So many"? Iggo Mar 2015 #34

And the last time you made a pro labor or worker post was? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #40

We have seen anti union posts on this thread. But you have to forgive them to some extent NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #42

Point me to the anti labor posters. Iggo Mar 2015 #55

U mean like when only 3% of DUers comment on a strike story? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #62

An anti-union DUer is an anti-DUer. nt valerief Mar 2015 #44

how many are so many? 70%, 40%, 18%, or .3%. I'm not sure what your'e fishing for juxtaposed Mar 2015 #47

Well, that's easy Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #48

Too bad we're not allowed to call them out. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #49

You are correct. Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #63

i had a response in a thread PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #120

Nice to run into you, PowerToThePeople! Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #138

Because BubbaFett Mar 2015 #52

What do they say when you ask them? tridim Mar 2015 #53

I criticize my OWN union because it's basically corrupt. But.... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #56

I'd like to know too. namastea42 Mar 2015 #61

The UAW Made The Middle-Class Go Vols Mar 2015 #65

Proud member of a Classroom Teacher's Associaton here AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #66

I always ask this question of anti Union people kimbutgar Mar 2015 #68

I'm not anti-union....but teachers and cops unions have to police their own better. msanthrope Mar 2015 #69

I'm only "anti-the union I used to be in". But not anti-Union 7962 Mar 2015 #71

American have a streak of independence in them maindawg Mar 2015 #72

:/ Go Vols Mar 2015 #79

"Big Tent." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #74

I know union members that are Republican and this is what I said to thme once INdemo Mar 2015 #77

Some of the most anti union people I know are LibDemAlways Mar 2015 #78

It's only certain unions. Codeine Mar 2015 #85

I drive a Ford Ranger. Just for the record. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #139

Group think works to everyone's disadvantage. randome Mar 2015 #87

I've only become anti-police unions. Otherwise, I am pro-union. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #88

Thanks Omaha Steve guillaumeb Mar 2015 #89

I don't go much further than the main page.... Chakaconcarne Mar 2015 #93

"Leveraged Buyout" of Dem platform by Third Way daredtowork Mar 2015 #95

I suggest you do a follow up post with a poll. MicaelS Mar 2015 #98

I would love to.see that. ncjustice80 Mar 2015 #119

You just made my point. n/t MicaelS Mar 2015 #124

Many are just misinformed. JohnnyRingo Mar 2015 #100

Bit of a broad brush don't ya think? d_legendary1 Mar 2015 #102

Steve, it's one of those things that makes you go Hmmmmm. Hekate Mar 2015 #105

bourgeois dilettantism exists rustbeltvoice Mar 2015 #106

Every single Republican is not anti-union which you cannot prove so stop saying that! KamaAina Mar 2015 #107

Koch money bought them. Jakes Progress Mar 2015 #108

Im 100% pro-union with ONE exception. ncjustice80 Mar 2015 #121

That is an excellent observation. K&R nt TBF Mar 2015 #130

There are two Dem Parties and, thus, two DUs. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #135

there's an app for that! (just kidding but there is an OP that explains it.) Dragonfli Mar 2015 #136

I'n not sure why so many of them seem to be anti-union. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #141

there are many duers addicted to hate radio and Fox. Doctor_J Mar 2015 #142

Have never understood iy marym625 Mar 2015 #143

What is the sound of a question answering itself, Grasshopper? Zorra Mar 2015 #145

Many Republicans aren't anti-union - police, firemen, NFL donna123 Mar 2015 #146

The easiest way to tell if a Democrat or anyone else does or does not support labor is to anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #147

one flaw DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #148

Only a few VW's are union made and those are imported from Germany anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #149

That's only true if they buy a new car. Orrex Mar 2015 #155

Simplistic as hell. I see plenty of the most anti union folks around driving American TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #162

I don't know about DUers being anti-union, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #150

yes, freedom from unions, sweet tax deals, in some cases free building sites HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #158

It's a Failure of the Imagination Demeter Mar 2015 #152

I'm going to weigh in against my better judgment.. sendero Mar 2015 #154

Because, not surprisingly, DUers include a lot of exceptionalists HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #156

SEIU - Florida Special Education Paraprofessional - School tried to deny OT pay HockeyMom Mar 2015 #159