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In reply to the discussion: Give Edward Snowden the Same Deal General Petraeus Got for Leaking Info [View all]bigtree
(94,437 posts)93. that's what most people regard as whistleblowing; exposing government wrongdoing
...it wasn't done for profit or some subversive act to undermine or harm US security.
It's gratuitous to cite the government's charges to describe what he did. We can all see that he intended to reveal instances where our government acted illegally or inappropriately. Casting that as 'espionage' and calling Petraeus' actions little more than misguided is elevating his opportunistic dalliance over what was, essentially, a patriotic act by Manning.
Daniel Ellsberg:
... the current state of whistleblowing prosecutions under the Espionage Act makes a truly fair trial wholly unavailable to an American who has exposed classified wrongdoing. Legal scholars have strongly argued that the US supreme court which has never yet addressed the constitutionality of applying the Espionage Act to leaks to the American public should find the use of it overbroad and unconstitutional in the absence of a public interest defense. The Espionage Act, as applied to whistleblowers, violates the First Amendment, is what they're saying.
We saw this entire scenario play out last summer in the trial of Chelsea Manning. The military judge in that case did not let Manning or her lawyer argue her intent, the lack of damage to the US, overclassification of the cables or the benefits of the leaks ... until she was already found guilty.
Without reform to the Espionage Act that lets a court hear a public interest defense or a challenge to the appropriateness of government secrecy in each particular case
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Give Edward Snowden the Same Deal General Petraeus Got for Leaking Info [View all]
bigtree
Mar 2015
OP
These are two different cases, Petraeus did not provide files to news sources.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#3
"gave classified info to the American people"....and China, and Russia, and who knows who else.
George II
Mar 2015
#49
Shine a light on dirty little deeds, deeds like those addressed in a law passed in
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#86
That's a very good point - Petraeus faced his accusers and admitted what he did...
George II
Mar 2015
#51
Manning's a whistleblower. No. I don't think her "Crime" warrants this sentence.
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#88
I thought you knew what crime Manning was charged with but here is the info
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#89
that's what most people regard as whistleblowing; exposing government wrongdoing
bigtree
Mar 2015
#93
I got it, I can commit crimes, claim it is whistle blower. Just think we would not
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#94
I'll assert that if you insist failure to read them was the basis for her conviction
bigtree
Mar 2015
#131
I consider that a minor point in the broader questions surrounding her dissemination of information
bigtree
Mar 2015
#142
Correction. Snowden did not 'run off to Russia' and everytime someone makes that false
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#143
Now once again, the facts. The US Govt stranded Snowden in Russia. On his way to S.America
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#173
The false claim of Snowden revealing information brought about a law in 2008,
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#150
I gave you the wrong Ellsberg quote, but you're off-base and need some perspective
bigtree
Mar 2015
#165
most of us don't require a government act to define who we feel are whistleblowers
bigtree
Mar 2015
#169
No, YOU stick to facts. First, a majority of the American people view Snowden as a Whistle Blower.
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#174
the poster is clearly talking about what most regard as 'whistleblowing,' not the flawed law
bigtree
Mar 2015
#176
You say I have a reading comprehension and you come back with a flawed legistration
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#178
Thank you, excellent post. I have posted polls on this before, and wasnt about to go wasting time
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#179
his leaks were the only impetus for the calls for reform of the intelligence system today
bigtree
Mar 2015
#16
the US government is behaving like a communist nation in its pursuit and prosecution of the man
bigtree
Mar 2015
#17
And should he receive some of the same punishment given by the Russian authorities
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#24
I have been in a position in which I couldhave been charged with espionage,
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#85
The soul of a 72-year old with the mind of someone much, much younger.
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2015
#47
That's my position: I'm not against a similar deal on the similar charges
alcibiades_mystery
Mar 2015
#100
Lol! Nice try but no dice. When your options are Manning's treatment or Drakes
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#81
Ben Wizner is not a criminal defense attorney. He is not listed on the federal docket
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#139
Go ahead and tell Snowden to complain about Wizner to the bar association
riderinthestorm
Mar 2015
#147
Why would Snowden complain about Wizner? Look, the lawyer he should be complaining about is
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#152
Petraeus gave the names of covert agents and conversations with the President
neverforget
Mar 2015
#82
Lots of people accuse Snowden of lying. No one, I mean NO ONE, can back those claims.
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2015
#48
Because the Chinese and Russians would be motivated to announce their advantage?
MADem
Mar 2015
#107
So your opinion is that its just mere speculation? Then what do you think the odds are?
7962
Mar 2015
#125
If Patreus doesn't have to sit his days out in prison, than neither should Manning.
MohRokTah
Mar 2015
#102
First off Manning isnt a traitor nor are Patreus or Snowden unless one of them gave
cstanleytech
Mar 2015
#103
I disagreed with the deal Petraeus was given and I disagree with giving Snowden a similar deal.
cstanleytech
Mar 2015
#43
I'm fairly certain an offer is probably on the table for Snowden and has been all along...
Chan790
Mar 2015
#57
What exactly would they prosecute Julian Assange for? He isnt an american citizen and if he wasnt in
cstanleytech
Mar 2015
#105
Yeah I just heard a few heads exploding from the logic of that and no way to refute it.
Rex
Mar 2015
#75
No--Petraeus wasn't charged by the military because he was CIA head when the offenses took place. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#159
Yep. The authoritarians gravitate to the side with the most official sounding title.
GoneFishin
Mar 2015
#137
Snowden's act of whislteblowing has made a significant positive impact for American Citizens
2banon
Mar 2015
#153
Issue Snowden a uniform and a chest covered with tinware and it would be a done deal. K&R
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#164