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WDIM

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46. well that is flat out wrong and we need a paradigm shift

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:06 AM

Mar 2015

"It cannot be reconciled through wisdom justice and love.

As public employees they need to put the safety of all citizens first. Even potentially dangerous suspects. Because everybody is innocent until proven guilty.
It is not for the police to be vigilantes.

And rationalizing it away and saying thats just how it is and allowing these officers to get away with murder we will never change anything and the police abuse of power will just continue to grow.

I wouldnt call the police for anything. There are to many of them that believe it is okay to take the easy cowardly road and hide behind a gun instead of actually doing police work and yes putting themselves in danger even against people with screw drivers.

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Video Shows Dallas Police Shooting Schizophrenic Man Within Seconds Of Knocking On His Door [View all] KamaAina Mar 2015 OP

I just want to kelliekat44 Mar 2015 #1

Another case where the cops could have seemingly just stepped away from the person.. uponit7771 Mar 2015 #2

Cops are not trained to stand down BubbaFett Mar 2015 #3

"they run head first into danger"??? What danger? SwissTony Mar 2015 #4

9-11, sandy hook - yep first responders do what we can' BubbaFett Mar 2015 #14

What if you are deaf? Jenny Red Eye Mar 2015 #77

In Bubba Fett's world, if you're deaf, you may as well be "reaching for your waistband" DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #80

Bubba also has no qualms with killing anyone because of their mental illness and morningfog Mar 2015 #91

Then why didnt they tase him? DiverDave Mar 2015 #81

Fascist apologia. n/t Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #85

That's a very scared world, not a grown up one. SwissTony Mar 2015 #86

+1, Those police don't hate the people they serve... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #99

How would the cops in the UK/Australia/Denmark/etc have handled this? n/t SwissTony Mar 2015 #5

Exactly n/t TubbersUK Mar 2015 #104

They can take control of the situation and be smart at the same time, these cops weren't either... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #6

No BubbaFett Mar 2015 #15

He was mentally ill and may not have fully liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #53

"the guy disobeyed a lawful order given to ensure officer safety." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #83

Oink oink. morningfog Mar 2015 #92

What? etherealtruth Mar 2015 #103

First of all they were called. They didn't step into anything yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #79

Link and quote the screwdriver being a "weapon" ... I'm not going to take LEOs word for anything... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #94

Cops are not trained. When you see 3-5 cops struggling to arrest 1 person and shoot them TeamPooka Mar 2015 #7

Nope BubbaFett Mar 2015 #16

Yes. BAD training tkmorris Mar 2015 #48

Indeed, and very litte, if any, liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #55

No, they don't. They get very little training liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #54

That's right. TeamPooka Mar 2015 #89

Maybe they could have, I don't know, backed up? And taken time to assess if he was uppityperson Mar 2015 #8

Cops. Are. Not. Trained. To. Back. Up. BubbaFett Mar 2015 #17

Why didn't they taze him then? cwydro Mar 2015 #22

Ask the cops BubbaFett Mar 2015 #25

That shooting was unjustified. cwydro Mar 2015 #33

No it wasn't BubbaFett Mar 2015 #35

He was "twiddling" a small screwdriver. That was not a large screwdriver. cwydro Mar 2015 #47

Exactly right about the lawsuit treestar Mar 2015 #64

I know, right? cwydro Mar 2015 #69

And you and yours are happy? DiverDave Mar 2015 #110

They are PUBLIC SERVANTS... CanSocDem Mar 2015 #29

Tell a cop that BubbaFett Mar 2015 #31

I tell cops that all the time. CanSocDem Mar 2015 #37

Yep BubbaFett Mar 2015 #38

I am 'protected'. CanSocDem Mar 2015 #45

Someone is full of it alright. Mr. Tough guy. morningfog Mar 2015 #87

and... uppityperson Mar 2015 #109

Yes cops are trained to back up. You seem oblivous to what cops do. Rex Mar 2015 #30

You know precious little BubbaFett Mar 2015 #32

i know something PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #57

Flagged for review already. cwydro Mar 2015 #107

There was a video on DU of some UK cops that treestar Mar 2015 #66

You're on the right track. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #82

I agree with you there. Rex Mar 2015 #105

It's basically Judge Dredd / Robocop come true. nt CJCRANE Mar 2015 #51

Cops. Should. Be. Trained. To. Back. Up. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #58

There are mentally ill white guys out there and they never seem to get shot treestar Mar 2015 #68

It's the super powers inherent in skin tone Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #71

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #98

Well, according to Wilson Brown was the Incredible Hulk or something... soooooo, their might be some uponit7771 Mar 2015 #97

Some. Are. More. Should. Be. uppityperson Mar 2015 #59

Well that needs to change then treestar Mar 2015 #63

"make you comply" = deescalate?!!? No!! That's just bad training... PERIOD uponit7771 Mar 2015 #96

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #95

This has to be considered on a case by case basis happyslug Mar 2015 #111

I see a huge difference between dealing with a mass murderer in the process of killing and a person uppityperson Mar 2015 #112

killing someone is not "taking control of the situation" Takket Mar 2015 #11

That doesn't coincide with reality however. BubbaFett Mar 2015 #18

The reality of cowards opening fire at the slightest provocation? Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #73

..and it should, that's the point. uponit7771 Mar 2015 #100

This is your response? I'm near abandoning hope for this place. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #12

Yes, that is my eminently level-headed and reality-based response. BubbaFett Mar 2015 #19

like those brave brave officers at Columbine SwampG8r Mar 2015 #21

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #23

The police should always put the citizens safety first. WDIM Mar 2015 #39

Nope BubbaFett Mar 2015 #42

well that is flat out wrong and we need a paradigm shift WDIM Mar 2015 #46

Then why the fuck am I paying liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #56

And there we have it Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #60

It took him a bit to get to that truth. morningfog Mar 2015 #90

Jaysus H Keerist treestar Mar 2015 #67

Same here. cwydro Mar 2015 #72

LEO are all civilians. They are not military, although many cosplay as such. Ikonoklast Mar 2015 #93

+1, but you know... the guy COULD have thrown small screws at the cops ... that would've given them uponit7771 Mar 2015 #101

Seems like just the opposite, cops are craven cowards with a gun. Those two obviously Rex Mar 2015 #27

You can't talk to someone BubbaFett Mar 2015 #34

If two cops cant repel and subdue a man with a screwdriver WDIM Mar 2015 #44

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #102

What do I expect? Better training. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #28

Here's some handy tips: BubbaFett Mar 2015 #36

Not that simple if you're mentally ill. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #40

Rule Number One BubbaFett Mar 2015 #41

Ever. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #74

I have several close friends who are LEOs. cwydro Mar 2015 #49

I expect them to not escalate liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #52

What for? And they killed a mentally ill man with no gun but only a screwdriver. treestar Mar 2015 #62

Exactly treestar Mar 2015 #61

I cannot believe how this police action is being defended by a commentator on CNN aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2015 #9

Police Murder geomon666 Mar 2015 #10

They're still on the street. cwydro Mar 2015 #50

20k suicides per year, 20% of the US experiences a mental disorder each year HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #13

The video is appalling. cwydro Mar 2015 #20

Whatever happened to Tasers? n2doc Mar 2015 #24

Let's face it, cops are craven cowards. They are only brave when it is 5 on 1 Rex Mar 2015 #26

Wtf!? Solomon Mar 2015 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #65

I still say we should reverse this shit. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #70

Do you know why I really keep my front door locked all the time these days, Brigid Mar 2015 #75

I'm glad I'm not the only one damnedifIknow Mar 2015 #108

You know one thing they should teach at the academy? BACKING UP!! Jenny Red Eye Mar 2015 #76

Yay guns! Initech Mar 2015 #78

The people doing the shooting in the video are the ones you would have enforce gun bans. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #84

I saw the story last night on AC 360 Catherine Vincent Mar 2015 #88

The mother was very calm as she walked out damnedifIknow Mar 2015 #106

I've always heard its cheaper sorefeet Mar 2015 #113