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patrice

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22. So how does that relate to the issues usually associated with "States' Rights"?

Wed May 2, 2012, 11:29 PM

May 2012

- Health Care mandate
- LGBTQ Civil Rights and Civil Rights in general
- Women's autonomy over their own reproductive choices
- Immigration
- Environmental Regulation
- Three Strikes and You're Out laws
- Marijuana and Hemp
- . . .

How much are you willing to turn over to decentralized Democracy?

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General debate: Do YOU think activist groups can ally with a party yet stay true to themselves? [View all] Ken Burch May 2012 OP

I think either/or propositions are very un-realistic, because they artificially limit the terms and patrice May 2012 #1

That's why I included the part about tradeoffs. Ken Burch May 2012 #5

Re artificially limiting the terms: What about the converse of your question? e.g. patrice May 2012 #2

Poltical parties, by themselves, seldom have core values. Ken Burch May 2012 #4

Okay, so there is the possibility of effective pressure from outside of a party. What about the core patrice May 2012 #7

depends on the Democrat you're talking about. Ken Burch May 2012 #8

So the tradeoffs between business activist groups and the Democratic party more recently included patrice May 2012 #12

So corporate money is like garlic to a vampire? randome May 2012 #13

Personally, I don't think ally = identify, but that's me -AND- it IS necessary to *KNOW* what you're patrice May 2012 #14

They DON'T ignore groups that share the same values. Ken Burch May 2012 #21

There's a balance of individuality:group that is necessary, because being more inclusive can also patrice May 2012 #23

OK, that's a valid concern. Ken Burch May 2012 #15

They are ALL over our Occupy. Doing little of the work and showing up to collect signatures patrice May 2012 #18

I met one of those people...couldn't understand where she was coming from. Ken Burch May 2012 #35

Imagine the threat to labor organizers that their presence poses. All it would take patrice May 2012 #40

A couple of links related to this question: patrice May 2012 #17

My groups linked with whoever did what we believed. ASF, SWP, Dem, whatever. freshwest May 2012 #3

ASF? what the heck was that? Ken Burch May 2012 #10

They do it all the time in real democracies rucky May 2012 #6

Like Britain in the Nineties? Where the almost the entire activist Left shuttered its operations Ken Burch May 2012 #9

And now that you're aware of that possibility... randome May 2012 #11

That's my intent Ken Burch May 2012 #16

The left here in the US RobertEarl May 2012 #19

Well put. Ken Burch May 2012 #20

So how does that relate to the issues usually associated with "States' Rights"? patrice May 2012 #22

It would involve a complete overhaul of the nature of local and regional governance Ken Burch May 2012 #24

And a BIG response to what we have learned, now, is an infatuation with Anarchy. patrice May 2012 #27

I don't favor "Anarchy", or even anarchism(the two things AREN'T the same, btw) Ken Burch May 2012 #31

An orienting point can be different things to different people. I was referring to the patrice May 2012 #36

Sounds like your vision is RobertEarl May 2012 #29

I suppose it's influenced by that, and also by the African village forms of governance Ken Burch May 2012 #33

Internet could facilitate that nationally RobertEarl May 2012 #37

It would be better Ken Burch May 2012 #42

The problem is your view sometime cries wolf when there are no wolves around. bluestate10 May 2012 #28

It's a view that's naive or manipulative in all of it's, TTE, "If it isn't _________, then it is 0." patrice May 2012 #32

Labour Party =/= Democrats. Why does everyone assume that all Democrats are a bunch of robots??? patrice May 2012 #25

We had the same thing in the U.S. in the Nineties Ken Burch May 2012 #30

I remember. I always hated being around "the party" because it was soooooooooooo clear that patrice May 2012 #34

Why can't Labor be it's own party? That'd be a 3rd party of big enough size to actually matter. patrice May 2012 #41

There's something to be said for the idea. Ken Burch May 2012 #43

There are some stupid people who will turn off at the word Left, but Labor reaches patrice May 2012 #46

Yes. bluestate10 May 2012 #26

Eh?? RobertEarl May 2012 #38

I suppose you would have to say that Martin Luther King allied with the Democrats JDPriestly May 2012 #39

King made a temporary, tactical alliance, but he mainly his distance from the party. Ken Burch May 2012 #45

Generally, that is the way it works with the Democratic Party. JDPriestly May 2012 #51

not Occupy. U4ikLefty May 2012 #44

No. I think they have grow large enough that the party allies with *them*. Marr May 2012 #47

No, but individual people who are members of both activists and parties-- eridani May 2012 #48

Wasn't saying they weren't Ken Burch May 2012 #49

Yeah, I suspected as much. I really work at keeping the two roles separate, though eridani May 2012 #50