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In reply to the discussion: To Believe Julian Assange, You Must Believe Israel Shamir, Vicious Anti-Semite and Liar. [View all]Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)195. No, you presented a false dichotomy
Last edited Fri Mar 20, 2015, 04:49 AM - Edit history (1)
"A is bad. A supports B. Ergo, everything that B does is bad. To believe B, you must also believe A, and by default, you must also be bad."
It is your MO-- shoot the messenger, deflect from the message, stick up for the surveillance state. The one poster called you a "tool" which was obviously in the sense of Vattel's explanation, yet you deflected, "OMG, he called me a male organ!!!" when you know goddam well that wasn't the case.
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To Believe Julian Assange, You Must Believe Israel Shamir, Vicious Anti-Semite and Liar. [View all]
msanthrope
Mar 2015
OP
You are welcome. It really is a very simple issue--either you believe that there's a worldwide
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#7
Nah, msanthrope is reporting on what is happening with Julian Assange right now.. if you choose to
Cha
Mar 2015
#157
Rape is a felony in Sweden, and that's what the women accused him or raping them. Forcible sex
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#179
Thank you for all your work putting this together. Those women deserve their day in court. n/t
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#178
I think the term "concierge justice" was used to describe the treatment some here
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#198
So sad, too. That people slurp up 1960s era propaganda. Thank Hank I had parents that taught me to
Luminous Animal
Mar 2015
#100
True>>> Exclusive New Docs Throw Doubt on Julian Assange Rape Charges in Stockholm
avaistheone1
Jul 2016
#250
What a desperate jumbled stinking pile of non sequiturs, drivel logic, and false dichotomies.
GoneFishin
Mar 2015
#3
He is a disgusting individual who has pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of
Matterate
Mar 2015
#4
Don't read any Polanski rape apologia threads on here. They are vomit inducing. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#6
I'm of the opinion that repeated linkage to certain types of sources indicates that you share those
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#9
That's why I don't bother to attack the messenger, but try to understand the message.
Octafish
Mar 2015
#40
Being a proven liar does diminish the probability you should be believed. Being an anti-Semite does,
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#16
I didn't discuss that in the OP Octa. I discussed the charges against him. And I'm not in a court
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#55
Who are you to decide that the women who accuse Assange should not see justice? nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#134
Absolutely.....I've had clients who point that out. Of course, as a criminal defense
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#145
You made a judgment about what "matters more." Who are you to judge that? nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#146
"Matters more for US democracy." It's like A Tribe Called Qwest, you say the whole thing
Scootaloo
Mar 2015
#153
with this crap you have him tried, convicted, sentenced and evidently want him drawn and quartered
hobbit709
Mar 2015
#13
Well, either you believe Assange's honeypot defense, or you don't. Do you, or don't you? nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#17
Even Assange's own defense? Wikileaks put forth this defense....and it's proven false. That
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#22
I found the claims difficult to believe due to the timing of the allegations
LittleBlue
Mar 2015
#34
I wouldn't assume she has a strong case against Assange. In fact, I would say he stands an
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#38
Probably. My confusion comes from the fact that the prosecutor says she could have
LittleBlue
Mar 2015
#56
This brought up an additional question that I thought you could answer for me
LittleBlue
Mar 2015
#140
I think Assange is basically a coward. I've had guilty clients fuck up completely minor sentencing
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#143
Indeed. Sentence first, trial later. And the ad hominem argument to discredit Assange's proven revelations is classic.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#31
Israel Shamir is a Neo-Nazi piece of shit, and Assange's choice to associate with Neo-Nazi trash
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#20
Really a Neo-Nazi who wrote for Haaretz? Oooooh kay. And ya know, I do not agree with
Luminous Animal
Mar 2015
#93
Can you cite anything he actually wrote for Haaretz? Rationalwiki cannot substantiate many of his
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#131
Counterpunch is left-wing, Zorra....and had no problem publishing the honeypot defense.
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#26
Well...how many are bail-jumping fugitives living in an Embassy and having press conferences?
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#71
"The DU right.."? Lame attempt to smear, Z. Assange gets facts reported on him and you call it
Cha
Mar 2015
#147
Yes, Precisely.. they're really quick with their personal insults.. that's all they have while
Cha
Mar 2015
#162
There is, very clearly, a DU right. It's not a smear, it's a stone cold fact. nt
Zorra
Mar 2015
#235
No, it's not a fact that those who disagree with you about assange are on the right. And, it's an a
Cha
Mar 2015
#242
Her blather reminds me of all the propaganda that I heard against civil rights activists in the 60s.
Luminous Animal
Mar 2015
#97
So Shamir, the liar, is to be believed over Wikileaks own spokesman, Kristinn Hrafnsson, who
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#114
She accuses you of "blather".. while "blathering".. lol they all have their thumbs in their
Cha
Mar 2015
#155
I miss HiPointDem on threads like this, don't you? I remember the time HiPointDem
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#205
Since when is it right-wing to support women being taken seriously when they make claims of rape
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#183
This is so obviously a false dichotomy that I will use it when I teach critical thinking.
Vattel
Mar 2015
#24
Is that what you think? The charges are false but not part of a CIA plot? Why do you not believe
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#35
What do you think of a defendant who flees the jurisdiction, and then has an employee put out such a
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#46
I didn't present a false dichotomy, Vattel.....I presented an uncomfortable moral question
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#58
Check out this piece I just found when I google Shamir and Assange.. two peas in pod..
Cha
Mar 2015
#189
I'm asking you if you speak for that poster. How do you know what is in their mind? nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#87
They have nothing.. so they resort to attacking with personal insults. Quite pathetic actually
Cha
Mar 2015
#164
right, that's what i said and that's certainly logical my you've outdone yourself
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#184
Assange's character is not important to me. The crimes he exposed are. Any comment on the crimes?
Scuba
Mar 2015
#47
That's something for Swedish authorities to pursue, if they have sufficient evidence. However ...
Scuba
Mar 2015
#202
Nice try, but that's a fail. I made no reference to any alleged victims being short-shrifted.
Scuba
Mar 2015
#214
We have at least four separate issues going on. I will try to disentangle them.
DemocratSinceBirth
Mar 2015
#54
I find that to be an incredibly offensive characterization of victims of sexual assault.
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#73
So what happened to them....the forcible acts described in EAW, is not "real rape?" nt
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#81
A "mere sex crime" "real rape?" I find it interesting that you don't actually address the acts
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#96
Unbelievable. I must say, this thread has certainly been very enlightening.
NYC Liberal
Mar 2015
#108
glad someone alerted on that one. It was every bit as offensive. Thanks, Cha
Tuesday Afternoon
Mar 2015
#158
Yes--you seem to be claiming that Shamir is being "smeared." How does one smear a
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#133
How does one smear Assange on this point? Israel Shamir--and his son, work for Wikileaks.
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#144
How does one smear Assange on this point? Was he unable to work the Google?
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#169
You would think Assange would google a prospective employee, right? I mean, this is the guy
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#174
"Julian Assange Backs Ron and Rand Paul".. yeah, I'd say assange is something.. backing racist
Cha
Mar 2015
#194
Forget Your Team: Your Online Violence Toward Girls and Women Is What Can Kiss My Ass.. more
Cha
Mar 2015
#196
And that's what so many here are trying to avoid...the "smear" of Assange is nothing
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#199
"Assange and Shamir have been friends for years".. and Shamir is going for the testoserone defense.
Cha
Mar 2015
#201
I haven't found a single reason to impugn the credibility of the victims. If you have, please share
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#120
Extradition where, Manny? To the US? Then why didn't we extradite him from the UK when he was
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#149
Given that Ed Snowden was allowed to grab virtually everything from the NSA
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2015
#167
Assange was on bail for two years, living in the English countryside. Are you saying the
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#175
How does one smear a Holocaust-denying anti-Semite? I'm still waiting for you to
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#150
You post this fully knowing I already said I wasn't talking about smearing Shamir.
Hissyspit
Mar 2015
#168
"Bad associate decisions" is what we are calling hiring and keeping Israel Shamir and his son?
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#171
Do you think the women who have accused him of rape deserve their day in court? n/t
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#181
Assange shouldn't have credibility anyway. After he was essentially forced to reveal he lied about
stevenleser
Mar 2015
#246
Colbert (one of my few genuine heroes of this age) had Assange's number early on.
randome
Oct 2016
#255