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In reply to the discussion: Dear Hillary supporters, how can you trust her on issues of war and peace? [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)82. The war in Gaza is one she signalled Bibi he could wage and never say he was sorry.
No, sorry, your statement that she made peace between Israel and the Palestinians is simply not true. She laid the groundwork for that war and then said that Israel had simply an innocent victim. She's also used exactly the same language as Netanyahu to justify cutting off the possibility of a two-state solution:
Netanyahu:
- Press Conference, July 11, 2014, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/benjamin-netanyahu-palest_n_5598997.html
There cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the Jordan River.
HRC: If I were the prime minister of Israel, youre damn right I would expect to have control over security, Clinton said of the West Bank, citing the need to protect Israel from the influx of Hamas or cross-border attacks from anywhere else.Interview with Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic, Aug 10 2014,
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/
On UN General Assembly Vote to recognize Palestine (11/29/12) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240755/Palestine-UN-statehood-vote-Hillary-Clinton-says-upgraded-status-unfortunate-counterproductive.html
HRC:
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton rebuked the United Nations General Assembly's vote to recognize a Palestinian state, calling it an unfortunate and counterproductive move that further obstructs the path to a peaceful agreement between Palestine and Israel.
Netanyahu:
Netanyahu called the vote meaningless.
Abbas had told the General Assembly that it was being asked today to issue the birth certificate of Palestine. Abbas said the vote is the last chance to save the two-state solution.
After the vote, Netanyahu said the U.N. move violated past agreements between Israel and the Palestinians and that Israel would act accordingly, without elaborating what steps it might take.
Abbas had told the General Assembly that it was being asked today to issue the birth certificate of Palestine. Abbas said the vote is the last chance to save the two-state solution.
After the vote, Netanyahu said the U.N. move violated past agreements between Israel and the Palestinians and that Israel would act accordingly, without elaborating what steps it might take.
Netanyahu:
At a press conference on July 11, 2014, Israels PM Benjamin Netanyahu stated, There cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the Jordan River. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/benjamin-netanyahu-palest_n_5598997.html
On responsibility for the Israeli bombardment of Gaza in 2014 and accusations that Israels military response to rocket launches from Gaza was disproportionately violent: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/
HRC:
Theres no doubt in my mind that Hamas initiated this conflict.
So the ultimate responsibility has to rest on Hamas and the decisions it made.
On efforts of the Obama Administration to pressure Netanyahu to accept Palestinian statehood and accept a two-step solution, Clintons views are closer to AIPAC than Obama. She repeatedly casts Israel as the victim in the conflict and international criticism as inspired by antisemitism:
What you see is largely what Hamas invites and permits Western journalists to report on from Gaza. Its the old PR problem that Israel has. Yes, there are substantive, deep levels of antagonism or anti-Semitism towards Israel, because its a powerful state, a really effective military. And Hamas paints itself as the defender of the rights of the Palestinians to have their own state. So the PR battle is one that is historically tilted against Israel.
Writing in The New Yorker, John Cassidy asks is The Hillary Doctrine: Smart Power or Back to the Crusades?
These statements will have delighted Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, whom Clinton defended several times in the interview. She even endorsed Netanyahus recent suggestion that Israel would never give up security control of the West Bank, a statement that some analysts have seized upon as the death knell for the two-state solution. If I were the prime minister of Israel, youre damn right I would expect to have control over security, Clinton said of the West Bank, citing the need to protect Israel from the influx of Hamas or cross-border attacks from anywhere else.
Hillary is no peacemaker and is hardly a forceful advocate for the Obama Administration - she agrees with Bibi's rationale for why Israel will not allow a two-state solution.
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Dear Hillary supporters, how can you trust her on issues of war and peace? [View all]
cali
Mar 2015
OP
Watch and see. The Tealiban can't help themselves. They will overreact and shout and scream
OregonBlue
Mar 2015
#66
My point is thst any given presidential election the possibility exists for them to win.
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#89
Any Republican that doesn't squirt blood from their eyes during a debate like a horned lizard
Scootaloo
Mar 2015
#125
I'm lucky to live in a state that shows up early in the caucus/primary sequence.
cab67
Mar 2015
#117
I don't see how you can forgive her that decision and think she won't do it
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#96
On every ME issue she runs with Bibi toward war, and away from Obama. She is loyal to herself,
leveymg
Mar 2015
#70
I freaking trust her..Understanding that her bad decisions in the past have been..
busterbrown
Mar 2015
#99
Actually, the primaries will be interesting. One thing for sure, Clinton is one smart person. nt
Logical
Mar 2015
#135
I wish she would just announce. I guess the usual time frame is april to june. nt
Logical
Mar 2015
#138
She is. I think the evidence is strong that she's more hawkish than President Obama
cali
Mar 2015
#6
"With the exception of Iraq" How sad that her decision on Iraq means so little to you.
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#174
I'd like to know that too. Yeah, it's great on her resume, but what were her achievements?
cali
Mar 2015
#22
She helped "avert war in Gaza?" Somebody needs to tell the Gazans it was all a bad dream.
Comrade Grumpy
Mar 2015
#36
The war in Gaza is one she signalled Bibi he could wage and never say he was sorry.
leveymg
Mar 2015
#82
Tell me what are her positives that outweigh her negatives? What the hell good has she done?
NYC_SKP
Mar 2015
#145
You (and other Clinton supporters) are using a strawman to attack anyone who criticizes Clinton
davidpdx
Mar 2015
#165
Hillary Clinton blasts ‘unfair’ world reaction over Gaza, cites anti-Semitism as factor
Ichingcarpenter
Mar 2015
#61
I think she is smart and savvy and would probably make an excellent president. I would love to see
OregonBlue
Mar 2015
#75
That's it. I particularly like, "the Rahmwellian "don't worry they've got no where to go" ".
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#100
Psst. Any Democrat at all will be 'better than any Republican, PERIOD.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Mar 2015
#154
Congress pretty regulalry RESOLVES to give presidents authority to use the military
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#107
Supporting one way does not mean you will always support every other war after that
treestar
Mar 2015
#106
Hillary is a festering boil on the Democratic Party - if she wins the nomination
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#110
A bit off topic, but does Hillary have any thoughts at all regarding poverty?
Dragonfli
Mar 2015
#192
She has Larry Summers as an advisor on economics forming her views on wealth
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#199
Maybe it's damning with faint praise, but it's still the relevant point, it seems to me.
Unvanguard
Mar 2015
#111
Return question: Who would you trust on issues of war and peace, and why-- how do you know? n/t
TygrBright
Mar 2015
#112
If she is the Democratic nominee I will vote for her. Anyone who won't vote for the democratic
still_one
Mar 2015
#113
About your para #1, does that imply you think Hillary supporters are progressive?
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#124
I think it comes from having the op's title in mind = target Hillary supporters
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#140
What difference does it make if the praise is faint or full? No President Christfukuistan.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#115
I believe she did a responsible and professional job of implementing Pres. Obama's foreign policy...
brooklynite
Mar 2015
#143
Not at the top of my list any longer...shes wont look for trouble im fine with that
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#148
Hillary spent four years trying to achieve peace in the world, this isthe job a SOS
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#152
Is any part of the SOS negotiatijng for peace? Has she EVER tried to negotiate
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#190
"This time it will be different" seems to be the prevailing reason from the "Not as bad" wing.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#156
Did you really criticize her for being old? What has DU become that we hate seniors?
McCamy Taylor
Mar 2015
#182
war is not good for children. Gaza sucked for children. Hillary supported it wholeheartedly.
cali
Mar 2015
#187
I'm fine with Hillary on social issues. But social issues are not the only issues
cali
Mar 2015
#218