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In reply to the discussion: Obama's the best president that America's had since at least Kennedy, you have to admit. [View all]AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)10. The 90's was not peaceful because of Clinton, Clinton rode the coattails of the end of the Cold War
Also, Clinton pushed for the Kosovo War, which was an illegal and with evidence, later found to be an illegitimate war that may have given inspiration for Bush to do the Iraq War.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/200005--.htm
Despite the intensive efforts, the results of the mass-grave obsession, as the WSJ analysts call it, were disappointingly thin. Instead of the huge killing fields some investigators were led to expect,..the pattern is of scattered killings, a form of ethnic cleansing light. Most killings and burnings [were] in areas where the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army [KLA-UCK] had been active or could infiltrate, some human-rights researchers reported, an attempt to clear out areas of KLA support, using selective terror, robberies and sporadic killings. These conclusions gain some support from the detailed OSCE review released in December, which suggests a kind of military rationale for the expulsions, which were concentrated in areas controlled by the insurgents and along likely invasion routes.
The WSJ analysis concludes that NATO stepped up its claims about Serb killing fields when it saw a fatigued press corps drifting toward the contrarian story: civilians killed by NATOs bombs. NATO spokesperson Jamie Shea presented information that can be traced to KLA-UCK sources. Many of the most lurid and prominently-published atrocity reports attributed to refugees and other sources were untrue, the WSJ concludes. Meanwhile NATO sought to deny its own atrocities, for example, by releasing a falsified videotape shown at triple its real speed to make it appear that the killing of at least 14 civilians aboard a train on a bridge in Serbia last April was unavoidable because the train had been traveling too fast for the trajectory of the missiles to have been changed in time.
The WSJ analysis concludes that NATO stepped up its claims about Serb killing fields when it saw a fatigued press corps drifting toward the contrarian story: civilians killed by NATOs bombs. NATO spokesperson Jamie Shea presented information that can be traced to KLA-UCK sources. Many of the most lurid and prominently-published atrocity reports attributed to refugees and other sources were untrue, the WSJ concludes. Meanwhile NATO sought to deny its own atrocities, for example, by releasing a falsified videotape shown at triple its real speed to make it appear that the killing of at least 14 civilians aboard a train on a bridge in Serbia last April was unavoidable because the train had been traveling too fast for the trajectory of the missiles to have been changed in time.
http://www.salon.com/1999/12/14/kosovo_11/
I was in San Francisco on April 15 when President Clinton told the American Society of Newspaper Editors: We are in Kosovo because we care about saving lives and we care about the character of the multi-ethnic, post-Cold War world. And just in case we didnt get it, he repeated that our military involvement was guided by the principle of multi-ethnic, tolerant, inclusive democracy. We have been fighting against the idea that statehood must be based entirely on ethnicity.
But Kosovo is fast becoming a state based entirely on ethnicity. According to the U.N. high commissioner for refugees, 150,000 non-Albanians have fled Kosovo since NATO declared victory the result of what the high commissioner called a disturbing pattern of killings, beatings and kidnappings promulgated by Albanians. About as far as you can get from multi-ethnic, tolerant and inclusive.
Of the 40,000 Serbs once living in Pristina, only 400 are left; 40,000 to 50,000 Gypsies have fled; the 300 Croats whose families had lived in the province for 700 years left in October for Dubrovnik; and the president of Pristinas Jewish community fled to Belgrade, condemning the pogrom against the non-Albanian population.
But Kosovo is fast becoming a state based entirely on ethnicity. According to the U.N. high commissioner for refugees, 150,000 non-Albanians have fled Kosovo since NATO declared victory the result of what the high commissioner called a disturbing pattern of killings, beatings and kidnappings promulgated by Albanians. About as far as you can get from multi-ethnic, tolerant and inclusive.
Of the 40,000 Serbs once living in Pristina, only 400 are left; 40,000 to 50,000 Gypsies have fled; the 300 Croats whose families had lived in the province for 700 years left in October for Dubrovnik; and the president of Pristinas Jewish community fled to Belgrade, condemning the pogrom against the non-Albanian population.
The Albanian atrocities are not just going unacknowledged and unlamented theyre going uninvestigated. The International War Crimes Tribunal is mandated to investigate only crimes committed during the armed conflict in Kosovo. And since, according to the NATO powers, the province is now enjoying the fruits of peace, the murderers can go on murdering with impunity. They know that the only retribution they have to fear is from the toothless U.N. police force.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/special_report/1998/kosovo/330804.stm
The fact that even supporters of action against Milosevic condemn the air strikes as futile, that Nato has blundered into this campaign like a bull in a china-shop, that its political and military goals change by the week, that it has no United Nations cover to legalise its attacks, that far from weakening Serb support for Milosevic Serbs have closed ranks in face of the bombing, that the campaign is causing the very regional destabilisation it seeks to avoid, all this seem to be blissfully ignored in Washington, London, Paris, Bonn and Brussels, if not perhaps in Athens, Rome, Prague and Budapest.
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Obama's the best president that America's had since at least Kennedy, you have to admit. [View all]
AZ Progressive
Mar 2015
OP
Clinton's presidency had a lot of legislation that made things significantly worse
Unvanguard
Mar 2015
#6
Clinton was better on foreign policy by far. On domestic policy Obama might be a little better.
Vattel
Mar 2015
#9
The 90's was not peaceful because of Clinton, Clinton rode the coattails of the end of the Cold War
AZ Progressive
Mar 2015
#10
The campaign in Kosovo was vastly more successful than Obama's military ventures.
Vattel
Mar 2015
#12
Also, add to this that Obama may be the biggest truth teller since Carter
AZ Progressive
Mar 2015
#11
Carter helped broker the Camp David Accords (the Israeli-Egypt peace). Nothing President
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#14