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TheKentuckian

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89. We have had PLENTY of wars, actions, and conflicts they are not all justified by WWII.

Sun Mar 22, 2015, 02:03 PM

Mar 2015

Your logic is built on an exception and ignores the rule.

I also notice you are conflating "worth fighting" and "defending the Republic", those things may not be the same either way depending on circumstances. I think World War II was both to a degree but way closer to the former and barely the latter.

I'm also not seeing how this supports the base argument that conscription makes it more difficult to go to war.
Would we have been able to actually do so in a serious fashion even with the existence of a plausible existential threat without it?
Dubious I say, without a draft I'm not sure the volunteer numbers would have come through.

What is your argument here besides bodies for the MIC by hook or crook because WWII for peace (like that makes any sense)?

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Rangel: Reinstate the draft; create war tax [View all] Panich52 Mar 2015 OP

And draft the 47 Senators who signed that stupid Tom Cotton letter to Iran. muntrv Mar 2015 #1

Nice thought atreides1 Mar 2015 #2

No draft. Send your own kids, Mr. Rangle. stone space Mar 2015 #3

I think you're missing his point.The tiniest number of families in US history is feeling the pain... Hekate Mar 2015 #97

A Korean War vet, Rangel is old enough to have been drafted. nt alp227 Mar 2015 #99

Draft members of Rangel's family FIRST. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #4

He's a Korean War vet w/a Bronze Star, V for valor. Demit Mar 2015 #5

Then let him register his own family members for this draft he wants. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #6

He's trying to make a point about how easily we go to war. Too bad you missed it. Demit Mar 2015 #7

Maybe he should just make the point in a forthright way then. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #9

I'd say the point is a pretty bald one. Demit Mar 2015 #22

Call me crazy but I think the best way to oppose a war is by opposing war, not by suggesting new Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #42

And the best way to fuel opposition for war truebluegreen Mar 2015 #59

Drone strikes on wedding parties in US cities would have the same effect. stone space Mar 2015 #62

Silly wabbit. truebluegreen Mar 2015 #63

In the same universe that kidnapping and military slavery... stone space Mar 2015 #65

Just out of curiosity truebluegreen Mar 2015 #71

No. Do you see Freedom as Military Slavery? (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #72

Nope. truebluegreen Mar 2015 #73

Then why go after my children and grandchildren? stone space Mar 2015 #107

Hyperbole much? truebluegreen Mar 2015 #108

You mean my children and grandchildren wouldn't be drafted? stone space Mar 2015 #109

Interesting. truebluegreen Mar 2015 #110

Tribalism? (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #111

Trying to make a point on the backs of our children and grandchildren. stone space Mar 2015 #11

Hear, hear! Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #69

are you sure military leaders don't want a draft? demigoddess Mar 2015 #28

Nobody is stopping Mr. Rangle from going. stone space Mar 2015 #14

You don't understand what Rengel is trying to do. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #17

I understand exactly what he's doing. greytdemocrat Mar 2015 #50

I think he is trying to make a point strawberries Mar 2015 #24

My children and grandchildren are not availabe for... stone space Mar 2015 #26

It's called a "bluff" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #34

I think it's the latter, for sure. cleanhippie Mar 2015 #66

And bluffs are sometimes "called". cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #77

Somewhere, somehow, a pony might fly. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #78

But everybody's child doesn't go Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #70

There is always that small % who can get out of it strawberries Mar 2015 #79

Ragel's position increases the cost and risk of being a warmonger. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #25

You obviously miss the point. nt Logical Mar 2015 #92

Like I miss a headache. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #94

Rangel doesn't have children. nt alp227 Mar 2015 #100

No nieces or nephews? Cousins with children or grandchildren? n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #105

Otherwise known as "the how to lose the youth vote act". n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #8

Fuck a draft. Ban contractors. Ban armed drones. Slash recruiting budgets. Raise recruiting TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #10

And keep the freak'n war cost of war ON THE PUBLIC BOOKS where everyone can see it! HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #27

Time for a prayer. stone space Mar 2015 #12

Yes to a war tax, no to a draft. former9thward Mar 2015 #13

It Would Have To Be HYPER Progressive In Its Design ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #16

Nope. former9thward Mar 2015 #19

How is War in our interest? stone space Mar 2015 #52

That's exactly his point... Lancero Mar 2015 #64

99% from the 1%, and 1% from the 99%. stone space Mar 2015 #51

I agree-War Tax oldlib2 Mar 2015 #58

Had the children of the upper-middle and upper class been subject to KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #15

I agree. As I note below, however, I am not sure such a law would ever be passed. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #20

Yep gratuitous Mar 2015 #32

The problem is that our children and grandchildren are not turds. stone space Mar 2015 #33

All due respect, but is this country and what it stands for worth defending? If so, then why should KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #36

With all due respect, keep your filthy grubby paws... stone space Mar 2015 #45

Lol. Your poutrage is hilarious cleanhippie Mar 2015 #67

They can fight their own God damn wars. stone space Mar 2015 #68

Yeah! Fuck those fucking fuckers, Amirite? cleanhippie Mar 2015 #74

Really? gratuitous Mar 2015 #43

No, we'll fight back, and we'll win. stone space Mar 2015 #46

You probably should copy your post here and make it a reply to the OP also, such is KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #49

That's because your "point(s)" involve the kidnapping... stone space Mar 2015 #54

If anyone has a sense of privilege and entitlement here, it is you with your KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #55

Do you understand the meaning of the word "NO"? stone space Mar 2015 #56

Do we live in a republic? If so, please prove that you understand the KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #84

Defending the Republic? Get the fuck out of here, what do our wars have to do with that? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #87

Was World War II worth fighting? We had conscription then and I think most would KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #88

We have had PLENTY of wars, actions, and conflicts they are not all justified by WWII. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #89

The argument actually should reach back to include World War I. During World War I we also KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #90

History including American history is full of wars of choice and conscription TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #91

Well, the Union practiced conscription during the Civil War. Given your screen name, not KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #93

Your assertion is not supported by history or any actual data. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #95

Before resorting to insult and ad hominem attack, you might wish to review KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #96

Apparently you don't know what either of those things mean and if you think people TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #113

What evidence supports that having a draft prevents or speeds up the ending of wars? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #75

The logic is from inference, not from evidence. To wit, when the Rockefellers', KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #82

Why? When has this dynamic ever been in place and what .ages you think TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #86

Agree about the tax. Problem with the draft is that the privileged will get out of the draft. stevenleser Mar 2015 #18

I agree completely, Steve. If rich kids are ever drafted, Oneironaut Mar 2015 #23

Or, make the government pay dearly. Oneironaut Mar 2015 #21

Bringing the war home. stone space Mar 2015 #30

Charlie's been on this draft thing for years. KamaAina Mar 2015 #29

Fuck that shit !!! SamKnause Mar 2015 #31

So I take it you have no qualms about the so-called 'poverty draft' then? (By way KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #37

My daughters are not availavle to turn into another Specialist England. stone space Mar 2015 #47

Draft Megan McCain! Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #35

War tax. That's worthy of a conversation. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #38

Rangel's Perennial Soap Box Routine 2banon Mar 2015 #39

I think the draft excited a lot of opposition to the Vietnam War. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #41

True enough, but as we all know, all of our protesting/demonstrating had absolutely no impact 2banon Mar 2015 #44

I think having a draft would be a good corrective to warmongering. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #40

We would have a personal stake in overthrowing the Democratic Party... stone space Mar 2015 #48

What's truly sad... 99Forever Mar 2015 #53

+1 truebluegreen Mar 2015 #60

Is there some war requiring a draft??? otherwise STFU. ileus Mar 2015 #57

How to do a fair War Tax. stone space Mar 2015 #61

We have a representative form of government, you want all the perks but none of the CK_John Mar 2015 #81

How am I a "typical dead beat"? stone space Mar 2015 #106

But shouldn't the tax be placed on war profiteers? They're the ones who benefit valerief Mar 2015 #76

Every war (not sure about 1812) has had some sort of draft, its an an obligation to society. CK_John Mar 2015 #80

I think universal military conscription began with Napoleon Bonaparte (The French call it KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #83

I kind of have to agree treestar Mar 2015 #85

Charlie Rangel is trying to get people to Pay Attention, that's all Hekate Mar 2015 #98

So richie rich can buy his kid an opt out. Hugh ugh. lonestarnot Mar 2015 #101

Can someone name a war that a draft has put an end to? Scootaloo Mar 2015 #102

Reinstitute slavery. Draft young people into the army and don't pay them. pampango Mar 2015 #103

+1000 Yes, yes, yes, yes n/t Hotler Mar 2015 #104

He can pry my kids from my cold dead hands. n/t dilby Mar 2015 #112