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32. He was 14 when he got his passport. I doubt very seriously that his parents could simply
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 04:44 PM
Mar 2015

claim he was a US citizen and he would be issued a passport; if it were that easy everybody would be doing it. First, they at least had to prove he was their kid, right? So, the Canadian birth certificate is theoretically the only way they could do that, since Cruz and his parents have never been able to produce any paper of any kind from the US govt that acknowledges his birth at all. But a Canadian birth cert isn't going to get you a US passport, I can promise you that.

What I suspect happened is that his parents at some period got him the paper "Birth of a US Citizen Abroad" and used that to get him the passport, and then promptly lost that paper. What is mystifying is how the toddler Cruz got into kindergarten without a US birth certificate, how he registered at school and with doctors without one. Maybe he used his Canadian BC to register, but then how can he claim he had no idea he was Canadian if he and his parents have been using the CA BC all along? And if they had the "Birth of a US Citizen Abroad" paper all along, why can't they produce it? If it has been lost, it is an easy thing to get a replacement -- takes only a simple request. Why go through all the craziness of renouncing your Canadian citizenship when all you had to do was ask the State Dept to reissue your "Birth of a US Citizen Abroad" paper? He's a Senator, fer chrissake, all he had to do to clear it all up in 10 minutes was have his office formally request a copy from the State Dept and he'd be done. It's been 2 years and the only thing he has produced is the official Canadian letter that says his Canadian citizenship has been cancelled! Who cares???? Nobody really cares if he's a Canadian, we just want an original document that says he's a natural-born US citizen too!!! A passport doesn't do that.

He's been going around in circles, doing everything BUT take steps to produce that document. That's simply weird. Why is he doing this? This is the real question. He's just stirring the waters, trying to deflect, and no one knows why. Frankly, I'm surprised the State Dept hasn't called him up and said, "Hey, crackhead, just ask for a copy of your BUSCA, or apply for one as an adult, and we'll send you one!"

That's what is so crazy. It's easy to clear this up. Why can't he seem to?

Do we dare suspect the the GOP didn't vet him properly before they invited him to run for Senator?

What on earth could really be going on here? Is it just that Cruz is really stupid or schizo? Even then, you'd think some tea party lawyer or admin in his office would fix this for him in no time. There is no discernible reason for this to be so hard, even for Cruz.

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Cruz Birth Certificate [View all] kpete Mar 2015 OP
Oh piss! We will keep Justin but you are damn sure taking back Cruz! leftofcool Mar 2015 #1
HE IS JUST RUNNING TO: Plug family and friends into campaign cash, get attention, live on OPM. nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2015 #28
I want his certificate of approval from his vengeful and full of hate God and his radical Dominionist Church. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #2
Has anyone found his form to verify his US birthright clydefrand Mar 2015 #3
Can we do 2naSalit Mar 2015 #5
Incorrect. Canada will not rescind the citizenship if it leaves the person stateless. So if Canada Nay Mar 2015 #8
Parents Were Bad HassleCat Mar 2015 #30
He was 14 when he got his passport. I doubt very seriously that his parents could simply Nay Mar 2015 #32
Why Ted Cruz has a strong shot at the GOP nomination: cheapdate Mar 2015 #63
Dual Citizenship Scarsdale Mar 2015 #49
if she was born in Wilmington, Delaware she's a citizen, period. CreekDog Mar 2015 #55
I feel sorry for anybody born in Wilmington Delaware. Buzz505 Mar 2015 #61
I was born there! treestar Mar 2015 #70
Yes, to prove his citizenship, Ted needs treestar Mar 2015 #71
Where is homegirl Mar 2015 #53
What about the LONG form? onecaliberal Mar 2015 #4
That's not a "Certificate of Live Birth" Trekologer Mar 2015 #11
I think not alive... Zombie apocalypse! onecaliberal Mar 2015 #12
LOL! ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #54
It better also not be on a dot matrix printer rpannier Mar 2015 #82
K&R! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #6
He's not a "natural born" citizen. BumRushDaShow Mar 2015 #7
Don't get me started... freshwest Mar 2015 #40
I agree so who is going to stop this? classykaren Mar 2015 #45
Not according to birther theory treestar Mar 2015 #72
The hypocrisy roils but I have as much real chance to be pres as he does. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #9
Maybe we should always refer to him as Rafael Cruz. slater71 Mar 2015 #10
Yep. I always refer to Louisiana's Gov. as Pyush Jindal n/t n2doc Mar 2015 #13
You can google the renunciation letter -- I just did. Nay Mar 2015 #33
He is not natural born. Period. unc70 Mar 2015 #50
Eh? erronis Mar 2015 #14
Carnival Cruz is probably eligible but we can have some fun with the birthers Gothmog Mar 2015 #15
The Calgary Kid underpants Mar 2015 #48
I like this cartoon Gothmog Mar 2015 #62
Yep. See them twisting in the wind attempting to treestar Mar 2015 #74
Constitutional scholar Ted Cruz announces run for President tomorrow. GETPLANING Mar 2015 #16
Josh Marshall Endorses Ted Cruz! kpete Mar 2015 #25
LOL! One of the tweets said, 'A vote for Ted in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the general.' freshwest Mar 2015 #41
Yeah Canada, you really f#ed up this time. lark Mar 2015 #17
Can't blame Canada. the devil Mar 2015 #22
Yes, just generally angry that he's here, how it happened is basically irrelevant. lark Mar 2015 #60
and right wingers usually want the border controlled! treestar Mar 2015 #73
The infamous "Yea But" mitch96 Mar 2015 #18
This is what he needs: Cleita Mar 2015 #19
but,,,, what if he won't supply & show his birth certificate??? trueblue2007 Mar 2015 #31
He doesn't HAVE a US birth certificate. He has to apply for and get the substitute form Nay Mar 2015 #34
Yes, we do. This form, or the older version, needs to be produced or Cruz has no proof Nay Mar 2015 #35
Good riddance. Cruz is Sen Joe McCarthy reincarnated riverbendviewgal Mar 2015 #20
Mr. Cruz is definitely a citizen of the Americas. mwooldri Mar 2015 #21
Be careful for what you wish for. Cleita Mar 2015 #26
Could be worse - people could elect me then ..... mwooldri Mar 2015 #39
As long as one parent is a US citizen... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #23
Not quite... Bartlet Mar 2015 #29
The birthers are indeed quiet, and Cruz has yet to prove that he is a natural born Nay Mar 2015 #36
The reason the birthers lost the debate about Obama is because he was born in the US, not liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #38
There were some who even argued that born in the US with one treestar Mar 2015 #75
Looks like Ted Cruz is a ANCHOR BABY itsrobert Mar 2015 #24
How will the birthers handle this? liberal N proud Mar 2015 #27
I want to see his mother's birth certificate. Zen Democrat Mar 2015 #37
what i wanna see? Colorado Vince Mar 2015 #42
Oh no, but they will ignore that B Calm Mar 2015 #43
Second good laugh this morning. Paka Mar 2015 #44
McCain had this issue, too. MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #46
The law does not say that. unc70 Mar 2015 #51
I looked all that up debating Freeper-types at the time treestar Mar 2015 #69
They already hated McCain MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #76
Managed to find this before getting ill treestar Mar 2015 #77
Where the hell are the birthers??? workinclasszero Mar 2015 #47
his father's middle name translates into "WELCOME" tomm2thumbs Mar 2015 #52
Isn't that a Socialist place? joanbarnes Mar 2015 #56
Yeah,...but it's full of white people..... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #68
I knew it, I knew it. You let one furrinur be President and now all of them what a turn! n/t A Simple Game Mar 2015 #57
I'd like to see one document matt819 Mar 2015 #58
According to the State Dept, Counsular Affairs //travel.state.gov sarge43 Mar 2015 #59
Amen! treestar Mar 2015 #78
You betcha! sarge43 Mar 2015 #79
Beauty, eh? KamaAina Mar 2015 #64
hmm...looks fake to me. n/t Stellar Mar 2015 #65
Get out the PHOTOSHOP and start looking for pixels! MADem Mar 2015 #67
Touche` Stellar Mar 2015 #81
Gee, I never knew he was a Rafael...!! Why "Ted?" Why not "Raffie?" MADem Mar 2015 #66
I thought I K&R'd this yesterday Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #80
but if fetuses are people who can have attorneys greymattermom Mar 2015 #83
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