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sibelian

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40. The whole problem with outing is that it plays into the "gay as shameful" story.

Sun Mar 22, 2015, 08:42 PM

Mar 2015

It purports to reveal hypocrisy but surreptitiously legitimises nebulous, ill-considered ideas about whether or not being gay is supposed to be socially acceptable. The outer places themselves in a power relationship relative to the outed that they have no right to assume. It's abusive.

There's this whole ugly undercurrent bubbling under the practice that carries the unconscious association that being gay is creepy and perverted.

That's why coming out is such a weird thing to have to do in the first place and why we must keep the expression of sexual orientation within the agency of the individual and not as a function of social acceptability.

We've already spent years trying to explain to everyone that we're a normal part of the human species, how can we possibly expect anyone to believe us if folk are whipping the curtain away and pointing at gay people with cries of "SHAAAAAME!!!" ?

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Barney Frank Says Aaron Schock Should Be �Exposed� If He's Gay [View all] RandySF Mar 2015 OP

Agree with Barney. Being or admitting to being gay should not be shameful. Nothing wrong libdem4life Mar 2015 #1

As always, I'm with Barney Tom Ripley Mar 2015 #2

Right along with Barney Aerows Mar 2015 #3

I hear you and Barney but, and I am not gay, while I feel that the Rep is reprehensible for rhett o rick Mar 2015 #18

If you are gay Aerows Mar 2015 #19

I saw something or read something some time ago that stuck with me. It talked about how rhett o rick Mar 2015 #30

It is. n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #31

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #54

Thanks! Aerows Mar 2015 #55

people should have to live by the laws they pass dsc Mar 2015 #34

Bingo! n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #50

Loves me some Barney Frank shenmue Mar 2015 #4

His sexual orientation mstinamotorcity2 Mar 2015 #5

It does if he's trying to make other gay people's lives more miserable nxylas Mar 2015 #8

I see your point. mstinamotorcity2 Mar 2015 #12

I am not a fan of outing Skittles Mar 2015 #52

And try to actively Aerows Mar 2015 #56

so when Frank thinks you don't have privacy ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #6

privacy of everyone. That man has voted to make things evil for lots of good people. roguevalley Mar 2015 #16

so... privacy for no one... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #21

no. It amazes me that people who are gay hide, then make it so evil for other gays that roguevalley Mar 2015 #36

so, when people said that Clinton's personal quibbles ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #38

was Clinton mercuryblues Mar 2015 #78

I look forward to the day when we are concerned... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #7

I disagree with barney on this. William769 Mar 2015 #9

I said it before up thread Aerows Mar 2015 #20

And I will say this again Tyler Clementi commited suicide because he was outed William769 Mar 2015 #22

You want to stay the hell away from me Aerows Mar 2015 #23

I stand by my statement. William769 Mar 2015 #24

Only if it is taken as such. Aerows Mar 2015 #25

Wow, so exposing a private part of someones life is OK with you? How nice. nt Logical Mar 2015 #26

If they are politically advocating Aerows Mar 2015 #29

You are right-on, Aerows. LuvNewcastle Mar 2015 #44

I think that we understand a little better Aerows Mar 2015 #46

You can't expose this sort of hypocrisy without outing the person. Orsino Mar 2015 #79

He was elected representative of that district jberryhill Mar 2015 #59

If it is your job to actively oppose Aerows Mar 2015 #65

Then oppose jberryhill Mar 2015 #69

I've made my opinion very clear Aerows Mar 2015 #72

yep 840high Mar 2015 #57

Nope Aerows Mar 2015 #67

Nope, not allowed. sibelian Mar 2015 #10

That's out of bounds because it's personal and you can only come out once. He's resigning let it go. craigmatic Mar 2015 #11

Not true.... DonViejo Mar 2015 #51

Indeed it is. Aerows Mar 2015 #62

In Cali every other guy is yoked. They can't be possibly all be gay, can they?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #13

Well That Flies in the Face allinthegame Mar 2015 #14

why does his sexual orientation matter? CTyankee Mar 2015 #15

It's the hypocrisy. TDale313 Mar 2015 #75

well, yes, the hypocrisy is maddening. I'd be tempted to out him too but then CTyankee Mar 2015 #77

That is wrong n2doc Mar 2015 #17

What about kids Barney? TheNutcracker Mar 2015 #27

I wouldn't cry any rivers if Schock mythology Mar 2015 #28

I disagree, for a couple of reasons. Chemisse Mar 2015 #32

Very well said. William769 Mar 2015 #35

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #73

Ugh, on the fence on this... Lancero Mar 2015 #33

I like Barney, but he's wrong about this. Terra Alta Mar 2015 #37

Absolutely not. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #39

The whole problem with outing is that it plays into the "gay as shameful" story. sibelian Mar 2015 #40

THIS NuclearDem Mar 2015 #41

hell yeah... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #43

Agree. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #47

He's wrong. Shockingly so. Bonobo Mar 2015 #42

So Barney, how do you prove that someone is gay before "exposing" them? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #45

If? wheniwasincongress Mar 2015 #48

That's kind of the funny part Aerows Mar 2015 #53

I normally agree with Barney Major Nikon Mar 2015 #49

I would have agreed with this some time ago jberryhill Mar 2015 #58

No, he shouldn't just do what LuvNewcastle Mar 2015 #60

Good points jberryhill Mar 2015 #63

Well, the ones who don't have consciences LuvNewcastle Mar 2015 #64

Yes, but they can do basic math! jberryhill Mar 2015 #66

You have a point there. LuvNewcastle Mar 2015 #68

The truly crazy are incorruptible jberryhill Mar 2015 #70

Schock has already resigned from Congress due to ethics charges. lovemydog Mar 2015 #61

Tell you what. Aerows Mar 2015 #71

is there anyone who doesn't know he is gay ? JI7 Mar 2015 #74

MUST Schock be exposed? Can't we wait and see if he exposes himself? Ken Burch Mar 2015 #76