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Algernon Moncrieff

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49. I'm not laughing off anyone on the Republican side

Mon Mar 23, 2015, 12:04 PM

Mar 2015

2016 is going to be a very different election than 2008, and I don't necessarily like our chances even if Hillary runs (and I don't like our chances at all with any other candidate). There are a large group of not particularly partisan voters who basically will think "OK, we gave Obama eight years...now it's time to give the other party a crack at it." However, at the end of the day, I think Cruz is running against Susana Martinez and Marco Rubio for Veep. I think their nominee will be either Christie, Walker, or Jeb. Christie is down right now, but I think he'll eventually emerge to be the guy. Walker will be dogged for not being a college grad (though that will appeal to some voters); the Bush name is still damaged goods; Christie is liked by independents, and the prospect that he could deliver Jersey and maybe also grab votes in NY and PA makes him appealing.

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Anyone else not laughing off Ted Cruz? [View all] TDale313 Mar 2015 OP

I can't bring myself to laugh... Wounded Bear Mar 2015 #1

You know, those laughs that end up being vomit? erronis Mar 2015 #72

me. You got it precisely right. cali Mar 2015 #2

I think he's just wanting to access some of that MynameisBlarney Mar 2015 #77

That doesn't mean that he isn't dangerous FBaggins Mar 2015 #164

I'll say it now. Quackers Mar 2015 #3

He's not as smart some equate him to be as well as Scott Walker Iliyah Mar 2015 #108

Trump has already started to bring up the birther issue on Cruz. nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #148

he's not batshit crazy. and he's pretty smart. cum laude princeton, magna cum ND-Dem Mar 2015 #156

And Tom Cotton also had an impressive resume at Harvard Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #158

cruz kept on having an impressive resume after university. cotton is the classic ND-Dem Mar 2015 #161

The entertainment value alone is worth the risk. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #4

The evangelicals Bettie Mar 2015 #5

He's already unelectable. By birth. He was BORN unelectable. calimary Mar 2015 #17

His mother was a citizen Bettie Mar 2015 #20

Um, nobody accepted that explanation with Barack Obama although it was true THERE, too. calimary Mar 2015 #64

If by "nobody accepted that explanation," you actually mean.... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #86

Doesn't matter. He is eligible Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #103

"Because they were crazy first" is not one of the reasons I cited. calimary Mar 2015 #110

Sorry, but you have about 200 years of precedent Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #117

John McCain dgibby Mar 2015 #129

his mother was a citizen; he's a citizen. doesn't matter where he was born. you ND-Dem Mar 2015 #157

My nephew was born in Spain, to a U.S. citizen (my sister) and a Spanish national. Ikonoklast Mar 2015 #109

At least one of his parents were American Citizens, so he could have been born on Mars..makes no dif Volaris Mar 2015 #145

I wish that were true but it isn't tkmorris Mar 2015 #26

But he isn't. So was Barack Obama. Born to an American mother. Nobody counted that in his case. calimary Mar 2015 #66

Cruz is a white Republican Danascot Mar 2015 #84

He is President! Complaining and moaning by Republicans changed nothing. yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #106

obviously they did, because obama's president. if you have an american parent, you're ND-Dem Mar 2015 #159

And John McCain was born in Panama. nt valerief Mar 2015 #37

And the canal zone at the time was considered American territory, and therefore, it qualified calimary Mar 2015 #74

Nobody is bringing it up because dgibby Mar 2015 #128

On a military base in Panama. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #75

Hawaii was a state when Obama was born, but that doesn't stop the GOP from whining. nt valerief Mar 2015 #104

Sorry, Cruz' Mom is a US citizen. Also, his party once like Arnold Schwartzenegger for president.... Hekate Mar 2015 #65

Yeah, well I'm still gonna point that out. calimary Mar 2015 #73

of parents who are US citizens guillaumeb Mar 2015 #111

Unfortunately lots of folks like that stuff. Love him invoking slave owner Pat Henry for "liberty." Hoyt Mar 2015 #6

I don't find him threatening, just annoying whathehell Mar 2015 #7

He won't win the nomination, lark Mar 2015 #81

I agree.. whathehell Mar 2015 #126

I learned never to laugh at the chances of a fool for office in the TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #8

Yeah, because a state that hasn't voted Democratic at the presidential level since 1976... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #48

Can still remember that election night like it was yesterday bigbrother05 Mar 2015 #116

I'm laughing off Ted Cruz wyldwolf Mar 2015 #9

He's a whackjob and a footnote. He's burned every bridge in his own party Arkana Mar 2015 #10

I hope that's true. TDale313 Mar 2015 #21

I don't like it, either. Not at all. The birthers will totally use this because they never believed Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #11

Unfortunately, Cruz qualifies as a natural born citizen. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #25

thank you for explaining it. I don't understand why/how Birthers kept pushing it. Can we all shutup Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #30

Me, I just watched his speech. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #12

I predicted he would be the nominee months ago. He's a dangerous scheming, calculating stevenleser Mar 2015 #13

Yes he is. TDale313 Mar 2015 #18

Um - he wasn't born here. Last I looked, Canada was not one of the 50 states. calimary Mar 2015 #14

He's the child of US citizens, which makes him a citizen. jeff47 Mar 2015 #22

just like "kenyan born" Obama for that matter. fucking birthers and their dumbass shit. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #31

Many are confusing the terms... YvonneCa Mar 2015 #127

I admit to a 2008 deja vu moment forthemiddle Mar 2015 #15

Barack Obama lost Indys by 8% in 012 and was handily re-elected... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #60

I think you are right. I have been saying for a long time A Simple Game Mar 2015 #94

I think he is way too religious for libertarians. Voice for Peace Mar 2015 #96

I just posted something similar in another thread. hamsterjill Mar 2015 #16

Have they polled Thing 1 and Thing 2? pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #19

Despite what some say about his being 'super smart'... randome Mar 2015 #23

...he didn't even form an exploratory committee 2naSalit Mar 2015 #35

Reason #1: No one wants to associated with him. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #42

I am not convinced about that. 2naSalit Mar 2015 #50

Most of the GOP doesn't like him. Most of his classmates in Harvard didn't like him. randome Mar 2015 #52

Let's hope he 2naSalit Mar 2015 #56

Bush, Jr. was a nightmare come true. randome Mar 2015 #68

If he runs, He'll only get as far a Huckabee or Cain or Santorum did. progressoid Mar 2015 #24

And because all four of them are sure they are Skidmore Mar 2015 #27

He is running. He announced today. And you're wrong. cali Mar 2015 #63

He sounds like an idiot and the average American will not take him seriously NightWatcher Mar 2015 #28

Sounding like an idiot is no problem for LibDemAlways Mar 2015 #61

He doesn't sound like an idiot to me. I loath what he espouses cali Mar 2015 #71

He is the male version of Andy823 Mar 2015 #142

i lived thru barry goldwater, fuck the clown spanone Mar 2015 #29

I think Scott Walker's a greater threat - TBF Mar 2015 #32

The problem is that they don't appeal to the SAME parts of the country... FBaggins Mar 2015 #165

One thing America has in absolute abundance: S T U P I D Triana Mar 2015 #33

Very well put. TDale313 Mar 2015 #40

I think the ignorance of the newsies is a polnt to fear olddots Mar 2015 #34

Yep, the media's a huge part of the problem. TDale313 Mar 2015 #44

I think he is calculated and cunning, but not stupid. Atman Mar 2015 #36

He's Sarah Palin 2.0. He'll do as well as her... no more, no less. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #38

Not me. He has a superficial charm and slick style. Unlike Bush he knows what he is doing. bklyncowgirl Mar 2015 #39

He scares the shit out of me. w8liftinglady Mar 2015 #41

There's more than enough of Teh Stupid sloshing around out there to make a win possible hatrack Mar 2015 #43

I didn't think Dubya had a chance either... Blanks Mar 2015 #45

Where was he born? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #46

Laughing at, and laughing off. tridim Mar 2015 #47

I'm not laughing off anyone on the Republican side Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #49

Well said. That is the real threat "Aw let them have it for a while" underpants Mar 2015 #51

Agreed, that will be a major factor. DCBob Mar 2015 #58

New York is not going red regardless of who the Democratic and Republican candidate are./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #53

After the 2014 midterms, I'd take nothing for granted. Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #138

Mid terms and presidential elections always have dramatically different turnouts, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #140

Not afraid of him winning, but he most likely will pull the country another notch to the right world wide wally Mar 2015 #54

1964 and 1972/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #55

His use of a right wing populist appeal will gain him considerable support, Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #57

I can't laugh off Ted Cruz Kalidurga Mar 2015 #59

Any candidate can win. malthaussen Mar 2015 #62

He's a 125-1 dog at the gambling houses DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #67

As Robert A Heinlein put it: 99Forever Mar 2015 #69

But he can't be President Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #70

When liberal law professor Alan Dershowitz says he's "off the charts brilliant" I cease to laugh Hekate Mar 2015 #76

Brilliant people don't lie every time they open their mouth. tridim Mar 2015 #79

Alan Dershowitz is a brilliant man himself, and a liberal. He's not "swayed" by Cruz, then or now... Hekate Mar 2015 #90

I didn't say he was stupid, I said he's nowhere near "Brilliant". tridim Mar 2015 #93

Mr. Cruz evokes another name in my mind charliea Mar 2015 #78

Laughing? LWolf Mar 2015 #80

I don't hink he is anywhere near stupid. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #82

TDale313 Diclotican Mar 2015 #83

Ain't laughing. zentrum Mar 2015 #85

Gerrymandering only affects the House yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #118

Yes. zentrum Mar 2015 #160

Actually, I DO think he's stupid. But that doesn't mean he can't win, or that he wouldn't be Nay Mar 2015 #87

U.S SUPREME COURT turbinetree Mar 2015 #88

I never laugh off an R. They have a lot of money to buy them whatever they want. We have already jwirr Mar 2015 #89

It's no laughing matter that millions of voters want him to be president. Martin Eden Mar 2015 #91

Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up as our next (and probably last) president. The_Commonist Mar 2015 #92

I agree with that sentiment... 2naSalit Mar 2015 #98

Charismatic sociopath. I'm not laughing. nt Hekate Mar 2015 #95

Not laughing here wryter2000 Mar 2015 #97

He doesn't seem so smart to me, and I predict his smarmy face will get old fast. arcane1 Mar 2015 #99

It only guarrantees a dog fight maindawg Mar 2015 #100

Not a stoneball's chance on the Sun Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #101

I laugh at him like I laugh at Ted Bundy or Jim Jones. Not at all. bravenak Mar 2015 #102

Not laughing here. bvf Mar 2015 #105

He might look like Bill Murray after a bender Warpy Mar 2015 #107

I don't think he'll even win a single state primary demwing Mar 2015 #112

Disagree brooklynite Mar 2015 #113

Yup -not laughing at all. He is a serious threat dbackjon Mar 2015 #114

I just wish Canada would quit dumping their waste in the US project_bluebook Mar 2015 #115

I laughed off Bush. Not going to do that again. Autumn Mar 2015 #119

Yeah, same here. TDale313 Mar 2015 #121

I think he is dangerous... yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #120

Nothing would surprise me. Golden Raisin Mar 2015 #122

No, you're not the only one. TDale313 Mar 2015 #134

Four Words For Ya! ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #123

Reagan was 'destined' for the Presidency. randome Mar 2015 #139

Then We Disagree ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #144

He can't be president! It's very clearly defined by the constitution! Initech Mar 2015 #124

He's a U.S. citizen dgibby Mar 2015 #131

That's one problem with the Birther crap about Obama: the lie about our system sticks.... Hekate Mar 2015 #136

Not a snowball's chance in hell.... Hulk Mar 2015 #125

not that I think he will win DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #130

I'm not laughing. cheapdate Mar 2015 #132

I seriously doubt he'd be the nominee, but it would be great if he did. Lil Missy Mar 2015 #133

I guess I'm in the minority . . . I'm definitely laughing. Vinca Mar 2015 #135

I don't underestimate anybody but, personally,... BlueStater Mar 2015 #137

He's crazy enough to make it with the goobers in the repuke primaries hifiguy Mar 2015 #141

One of the saddest days in my life is when I realized that George AWOL Bush tabasco Mar 2015 #143

I will remember that moment for the rest of my days Skittles Mar 2015 #155

I'm not worried about him. It's sad that his vileness morningfog Mar 2015 #146

We mistakenly underestimted Reagan and W and their handlers (and overestimated tblue37 Mar 2015 #147

With a balanced breakfast of green eggs and ham, Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #149

STOP IT JAMAAL510 Skittles Mar 2015 #152

teabaggerted's not serious.. just wants the attention. Cha Mar 2015 #150

he IS stupid Skittles Mar 2015 #151

definitely not stupid. and no i'm not laughing, he's scary. trained from the cradle ND-Dem Mar 2015 #153

Snort... lonestarnot Mar 2015 #154

HAHAHA joshcryer Mar 2015 #162

He's polling at three percent. His "job" is to make Jeb appear reasonable by comparison. nt MADem Mar 2015 #163

He pisses off .. sendero Mar 2015 #166

he's a nutcase narcissist Skittles Mar 2015 #167