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In reply to the discussion: We killed so many innocent people! [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)illegal Iraq Invasion based on the fact that it was all a lie, AND that what has since happened to that and other surrounding countries WOULD be the result of such a criminal enterprise.
You must not have been around when those of us who vehemently opposed this massive crime predicted what is happening now. Not that it took a lot of ingenuity to do so, the guilty parties were not shy about stating what their real goals actually WERE.
Michael Ledeen eg, promised to turn the entire ME into a glass parking lot and when asked 'when' his now infamous response was 'faster please'. Well it has taken a bit longer than the 'months, weeks maybe' predicted by Rummy, but then that WAS the goal, forever war in the ME.
I guess they couldn't keep using Al Queda as support for what appeared to be a failed operation after more than a decade, began to drop.
But now we have a new 'enemy'.
I remember being attacked for opposing the original invasion by right wing Bush supporters with the same personal attacks 'so you don't care about the Iraqi people, you are willing to allow Al Queda to brutalize them etc etc.
If the anti-Iraq Invasion sentiment had prevailed, there would be no ISIS because Hussein, bad as he was, kept these elements under control.
Breaking down Iraq's infrastructure paved the way for forever war.
So now, the thinking is, 'sorry we failed Iraq to the point where one more than 4 million of their citizens are STILL in refugee camps in Jordan and Syria, and killed one million of them and turned their country into Mad Max etc.
AND made it possible for ISIS to emerge as a supposedly more powerful group than any seen over there in living memory, fully armed, capable of stealing oil revenues etc.
But hey, TRUST US! We will take care of THIS GROUP now, doing exactly what we did before.
No, I am not the one saying 'fuck you' to the locals. I am one of those who tried desperately to prevent what is happening to the locals by keeping our WMDS out of the ME.
I would say that those supporting ANOTHER round of US intervention are the ones saying 'fuck the locals'. Even more so now that we have seen all those predictions we made a decade ago, come true.
Seems to me the Kurds and other ME armies are far more capable of stopping ISIS than the Western powers who helped create them.
This feels like Deja Vu. Same 'we have to save them' only now we have recent history to argue against the West saving ANYTHING or ANYONE in that region of the world.
So go ahead and wish another decade of Western intervention on those unfortunate people.
I'm for allowing them to take care of their own business which they appear capable of doing without more failure from the West.