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79. Remembering the 2004 Swing State Red Shift

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Mon Mar 23, 2015, 03:12 PM

Mar 2015

I remember it well. We went bananas here and on Daily Kos. Lots of bloggers had seen the exit polls, and the sudden shift in the Ohio results after midnight.

I also remember Barbara Boxer objecting to the results of the election as presented to the House of Representatives, and holding up the certification of those results all day on the day after the voting.

Tom Delay was mocking "comparing the results to exit polls!" He called it the "X-Files Wing of the Democrat__ Party."

With no media support, the facts were buried even more quickly than the 30,000 voters scrubbed from the rolls illegally in Florida.

It's the same with all our institutions, though. I will read the book, but I am inclined now to think that it's up to the people to reconstruct our social fabric based upon trust and morality instead of power, prestige and affluence.

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CODE RED – Computerized Election Theft and the New American Century [View all] Time for change Mar 2015 OP

long time no see - k/r nashville_brook Mar 2015 #1

The time to change electronic voting is AFTER Democrats win big. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #2

The problem with that course Time for change Mar 2015 #11

Electronic voting is not secure...look at ANY year's computer hacking headlines for the evidence. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #3

Finally An Exceptional Article billhicks76 Mar 2015 #84

Early returns from Ohio's Sec. of State Web Site Botany Mar 2015 #4

I haven't seen this before. brer cat Mar 2015 #8

I've often wondered about the Homeland Security shutdown of the count... KansDem Mar 2015 #10

You're paranoid as hell aren't you? Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #105

You got that right! KansDem Mar 2015 #119

Lucas county partial results above make the switch from Kerry to Green candidate Cobb obvious. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #106

What I saw and what I heard in Ohio 2004 still haunts me Botany Mar 2015 #107

What still haunts me is the fact that the voting machine vendor reprogrammed all the machines hedda_foil Mar 2015 #123

Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2015 #5

Good to see you, Time for change. brer cat Mar 2015 #6

Thank you very much Time for change Mar 2015 #14

Want to know who I believe? -- the people involved brooklynite Mar 2015 #7

Except that bradblog.com has been covering electronic vote theft. Electronic, the NEW way valerief Mar 2015 #16

The issue of electronic vote manipulation has been made into a pariah by our corporate news media Time for change Mar 2015 #18

Yes they do... brooklynite Mar 2015 #21

how is documented by this az group questionseverything Mar 2015 #40

crap on a stick software questionseverything Mar 2015 #44

or it could be nobody is watching questionseverything Mar 2015 #45

So, you're saying not one of affected candidates cared... brooklynite Mar 2015 #46

here is one that did questionseverything Mar 2015 #50

Thank you for confirming my point brooklynite Mar 2015 #52

there was plenty of evidence questionseverything Mar 2015 #57

You're getting warmer... dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #60

Waukesha County, WI - Votes stored in MS Access Database paparush Mar 2015 #22

The votes were not "stored" in Access. They were tallied there. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #67

i wasnt there but i know people who were questionseverything Mar 2015 #74

There were lots of problems with poorly sealed bags. We've changed bags since then because of that. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #75

read the article i posted questionseverything Mar 2015 #76

I was there and read it 4 years ago. The melodrama and silly rumors were bad enough in real time. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #78

these arnt rumors questionseverything Mar 2015 #83

I can confirm this portion: PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #86

did kathy n stand up and admit fraud ...no questionseverything Mar 2015 #90

If there were evidence of fraud, Kloppenburg and our team would have found it PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #91

not to mention the gab's reporting of recount results questionseverything Mar 2015 #85

brunner said there were critical security failures questionseverything Mar 2015 #53

Perhaps so...point to where she says those security failures were utilized. brooklynite Mar 2015 #54

look at botony's post # 4 questionseverything Mar 2015 #58

Thanks for this post. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #73

Kerry has came to believe it was stolen in 2005. pa28 Mar 2015 #92

You get a receipt sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #100

I'm not arguing that there aren't potential issues, I'm arguing no evidence of intentional fraud brooklynite Mar 2015 #102

"Code Red" is a book ? article ? blog ? link ? eppur_se_muova Mar 2015 #9

It's a book Time for change Mar 2015 #15

I'm guessing that it's this: drm604 Mar 2015 #17

Thanks ! Buy paperback and Kindle links there. nt eppur_se_muova Mar 2015 #19

It's about time HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #12

I'm convinced. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #13

Remember what happened to Mike Connell... Gumboot Mar 2015 #20

Michael Connell Time for change Mar 2015 #68

There is some major cognitive dissonance on this issue RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #23

It was my pleasure Time for change Mar 2015 #69

Don't forget aspirant Mar 2015 #24

K&R nt Andy823 Mar 2015 #25

One doesn't need an advanced degree in mathematics NoMoreRepugs Mar 2015 #26

Thank you. I've been talking about this since 2004/5 when the Ohio data came out. CaptainTruth Mar 2015 #27

I still have a copy of this book on my shelf from back then... RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #29

I remember that! Good for you. CaptainTruth Mar 2015 #39

What are you doing in your State to improve the voting systems? Anything? Nothing? Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #28

Funny how the "help America vote act" fasttense Mar 2015 #31

you have optical scanners which can be munipulated questionseverything Mar 2015 #64

So Good To Hear From You 1norcal Mar 2015 #30

Thank you so much! Time for change Mar 2015 #70

Put simply: Red Shift = % of Vote Theft Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #32

until we return to verifiable voting via hand counted paper ballots, we have no democracy and no Kip Humphrey Mar 2015 #33

Okay...you've got your hand-counted paper ballots. How do you aggregate the votes? brooklynite Mar 2015 #56

each election board is responsible for it's own totals questionseverything Mar 2015 #61

All paper ballots are Hand Counted at the voting stations... bvar22 Mar 2015 #82

Thanks - Code Red has some very good suggestions on the subject Time for change Mar 2015 #71

I heard you were comin' back! OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #34

K & R mountain grammy Mar 2015 #35

I got this from someone who does work for DARPA DFW Mar 2015 #36

And then there's this... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #37

Same old BS, you have no idea of the election system in the US. There are over 50,000 voting CK_John Mar 2015 #38

The input data (votes) originates in a variety of formats, CaptainTruth Mar 2015 #41

yes the spreadsheet is the ultimate blackbox questionseverything Mar 2015 #47

Why do scanners and machines have proprietery code we citizens aren't allowed to inspect? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #42

That's why many tactics are utilized, silly human. When the known issues are not tackled, and mother earth Mar 2015 #43

Sorry. Sounds like you're the one with no clue. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #62

What if there are many individual voting precincts that have veribiable voting? Time for change Mar 2015 #72

two words olddots Mar 2015 #48

Check it out ~ we even had an Electronic Voting Links Library here at DU years ago: Zorra Mar 2015 #49

Ah...so now, DEMOCRATS are rigging voting machines? brooklynite Mar 2015 #55

Did I say, or, imply, anything about Democrats in my post? Zorra Mar 2015 #63

The DU right wing will do its best to convince you that vote manipulation..." brooklynite Mar 2015 #65

No matter which of the only two parties we can vote for that has Zorra Mar 2015 #77

What's telling is... RobertEarl Mar 2015 #51

When it's an oligarchy. ancianita Mar 2015 #59

K & R, this needs much more attention dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #66

Remembering the 2004 Swing State Red Shift november3rd Mar 2015 #79

Great to see you posting again. This is probably the most important issue before us today. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #80

Thanks Time for change Mar 2015 #93

One problem I've always had with these arguments. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #81

These exit polls were taken and analyzed scientifically. Time for change Mar 2015 #94

Ok. But..... Savannahmann Mar 2015 #96

I don't understand your problem with a statistical sample Time for change Mar 2015 #97

I don't have the statistics but I believe that exit polling has been very accurate in rhett o rick Mar 2015 #101

It is utterly naive... JackHughes Mar 2015 #87

...and yet they gave up power in 2006 and 2008 brooklynite Mar 2015 #88

Not in the states... JackHughes Mar 2015 #89

2006 we took back the House....and pick up 5 Governorships and 6 senate seats brooklynite Mar 2015 #98

If Dems show up in numbers, there's no way they can win. They're not showing up. YOHABLO Mar 2015 #95

Isn't that blaming the voters, instead of correcting the problem? 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #116

Dems show up for exit polls, but not as much in official vote counts Time for change Mar 2015 #121

It's Pretty Obvious But Totally Ignored ( In America) For Years colsohlibgal Mar 2015 #99

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #103

Thank you. SusanCalvin Mar 2015 #104

"Trust us." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #108

+1000 blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #109

14th Characteristic of Fascism (http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm): blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #110

The denial of this fundamental problem is damning us. dougolat Mar 2015 #111

k & r & thank you! wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #112

Very important stuff. Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2015 #113

Watch for Republicans gaining and passing from behind when the later returns come in. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #114

Some Democrats were ALL over this, right after the 2004 election. 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #115

David Dill: "It is not enough that elections be accurate-- eridani Mar 2015 #117

Okay...for the sake of discussion, let's stipulate that there's digital tampering of elections... brooklynite Mar 2015 #118

you are not correct questionseverything Mar 2015 #120

First thing Time for change Mar 2015 #122