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Major Nikon

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105. Both your posts demonstrate you can't tell the difference between hypothesis and fact

Mon Mar 23, 2015, 04:54 PM

Mar 2015

All of your links point back to the same study which has already been debunked and demonstrates how little you've read on the subject. Even if it hadn't been, the very best you've done is demonstrate you can't tell the difference between a hypothesis and fact. The paper you are quoting is clearly labeled as a hypothesis and not even a good one as it offers no plausible causal mechanism and even the correlative data is shit as CKDu appeared long before glyphosate existed. It's published in an obscure journal that nobody reads and the authors based their "hypothesis" on zero actual research on the subject.

Meanwhile the people who actually have been researching the subject for years discount any such link, citing numerous other likely causal factors.

Reported urine glyphosate (and AMPA) levels in CKDu cases (Jayatilake et a, 2013l) are far below levels suggesting an exposure capable of inducing chronic toxic effects in animals and 96.5% of CKDu cases had glyphosate levels below the stated reference limit in urine.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2369/14/180

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Think you can wash off any Roundup carcinogen that might be in your GMO's? Think again. [View all] pnwmom Mar 2015 OP

You will never be able to wash off all pesticides Major Nikon Mar 2015 #1

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It is unfortunate RobertEarl Mar 2015 #51

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the word pesticide KT2000 Mar 2015 #63

Yep RobertEarl Mar 2015 #67

Roundup is a pesticide now, evidently Major Nikon Mar 2015 #69

just to be clear - KT2000 Mar 2015 #78

"Toxic people promoting toxic products. " bvar22 Mar 2015 #81

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Dummies? upaloopa Mar 2015 #103

Just counting the personal attacks in this thread upaloopa Mar 2015 #102

I'm not claiming they use them in "excessive" amounts Major Nikon Mar 2015 #22

Didn't you mean 'curiously gives a pass to Monsanto? JUST LABEL THE FOOD! sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #16

No Major Nikon Mar 2015 #24

No? Since when did you get to tell people what to eat? They WILL have to do it sooner or later sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #44

Then yes Major Nikon Mar 2015 #48

Round Up is causing an epidemic of kidney failure fasttense Mar 2015 #90

Interesting Major Nikon Mar 2015 #94

Which only goes to show you fasttense Mar 2015 #100

Both your posts demonstrate you can't tell the difference between hypothesis and fact Major Nikon Mar 2015 #105

There is no roundup residue on any GMO corn, so you're safe there. eom MohRokTah Mar 2015 #3

Not ON the corn. It's IN the corn, if you believe Monsanto. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #8

It is not "in the corn". MohRokTah Mar 2015 #9

MoRo RobertEarl Mar 2015 #10

I know what the fuck I'm talking about. MohRokTah Mar 2015 #12

The leaves absorb the Roundup and from there it goes to the rest of the plant. pnwmom Mar 2015 #14

I don't believe you MohRokTah Mar 2015 #19

I don't believe you, and I certainly don't believe Monsanto. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #45

The argument that some plants absorb even more Roundup does nothing to prove Roundup safe. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #57

Doubling down are you? RobertEarl Mar 2015 #15

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #20

You deny the actual science? RobertEarl Mar 2015 #25

The actual science is the herbicides NEVER end up in the seeds MohRokTah Mar 2015 #26

Nice imagination you have there RobertEarl Mar 2015 #32

Cling to your anit-science thoughts. MohRokTah Mar 2015 #35

anit-science? RobertEarl Mar 2015 #38

Yeah, it's just like how the placenta protects the growing fetus from any damage pnwmom Mar 2015 #37

It's MoRo magic! RobertEarl Mar 2015 #40

That poster is back on vacation. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #99

Yes, you seem to be an expert in many, many things. pa28 Mar 2015 #31

. MohRokTah Mar 2015 #36

Whaaat? I really enjoyed your informed opinion on why an FCC net neutrality ruling was impossible. pa28 Mar 2015 #65

... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #42

You seem to be REALLY REALLY REALLY smart about this subject area ... Trajan Mar 2015 #46

S/he can't. S/he's been put on yet another time out. cui bono Mar 2015 #56

Gosh, that's a big loss. pa28 Mar 2015 #60

Not to mention their calling for a pulitzer prize journalist to be hanged. cui bono Mar 2015 #75

Monsanto says it's IN the corn. It gets absorbed through the leaves and "translocates" pnwmom Mar 2015 #13

IT does not end up in the seeds MohRokTah Mar 2015 #23

Yes, it ends up in the kernels. The only question is whether you believe Monsanto that the levels are always very low. pnwmom Mar 2015 #27

No, it doesn't. eom MohRokTah Mar 2015 #28

So you think this Monsanto PhD is lying? pnwmom Mar 2015 #30

Low as in statistically negligible Major Nikon Mar 2015 #47

According to Monsanto. But the FDA doesn't measure it, so we're just supposed to trust Monsanto. pnwmom Mar 2015 #50

You don't have to trust Monsanto Major Nikon Mar 2015 #55

Thanks for the interesting article on carcinogenic properties of salt. That is new to me. uppityperson Mar 2015 #66

Yep, typo Major Nikon Mar 2015 #68

well that is comforting G_j Mar 2015 #49

So even if it doesn't end up in the seed, you do acknowledge that it is in the plant? A Simple Game Mar 2015 #52

Sure, which is why it is being banned in more and more countries every year. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #18

Since we covet money over life in America, we will be one of the last to ban anything Rex Mar 2015 #77

It is in the seed does not wash out classykaren Mar 2015 #82

Of course there is. The Round Up is absorbed by the GMO corn plant. fasttense Mar 2015 #104

Well, we do have an over-population problem... RiverLover Mar 2015 #4

Like they care.. "just suck it up and don't expect us to label our gmo products.. we'll spend Cha Mar 2015 #74

K&R G_j Mar 2015 #5

It's not just the glyphosate....... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #6

YES! Hell yes! RiverLover Mar 2015 #11

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I like this one too Chathamization Mar 2015 #79

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k&R ND-Dem Mar 2015 #33

What Would Jesus Eat? His wine and loaves trick, was that GMOed? nt valerief Mar 2015 #39

Since GMOs are "playing god" it's the same Major Nikon Mar 2015 #61

K&R. We need labeling and enforcement so we can make this choice for ourselves. n/t pa28 Mar 2015 #43

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The only way we'll ever get rid of this stuff dgibby Mar 2015 #70

Now that you mention it..... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #71

I rest my case! dgibby Mar 2015 #76

can we TRY hand weeding again? pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #72

Of course you can't.. it goes into the produce.. it only make sense. I've known that for years. Cha Mar 2015 #73

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That's what it was designed for. pnwmom Mar 2015 #88

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It is designed to be taken up by the plant and it is also made to break down w/in days. Botany Mar 2015 #91

Roundup wasn't designed to be used on food crops. pnwmom Mar 2015 #92

"This means that the herbicide RoundUp can be sprayed on the crops and the crops will not die." Botany Mar 2015 #95

Which certainly doesn't mean it wasn't later tested and approved for that purpose Major Nikon Mar 2015 #96

The USDA regulates organic farming, including the use of approved pesticides. pnwmom Mar 2015 #97

Sure they do Major Nikon Mar 2015 #98

K&R Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #101

KIck as a PSA Cha Mar 2015 #106