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Fumesucker

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5. This piece was written 22 years ago...
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:48 PM
Mar 2015

And it's still a bit ahead of its time..

https://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/misc/singularity.html

_What is The Singularity?_

The acceleration of technological progress has been the central
feature of this century. I argue in this paper that we are on the edge
of change comparable to the rise of human life on Earth. The precise
cause of this change is the imminent creation by technology of
entities with greater than human intelligence. There are several means
by which science may achieve this breakthrough (and this is another
reason for having confidence that the event will occur):
o The development of computers that are "awake" and
superhumanly intelligent. (To date, most controversy in the
area of AI relates to whether we can create human equivalence
in a machine. But if the answer is "yes, we can", then there
is little doubt that beings more intelligent can be constructed
shortly thereafter.
o Large computer networks (and their associated users) may "wake
up" as a superhumanly intelligent entity.
o Computer/human interfaces may become so intimate that users
may reasonably be considered superhumanly intelligent.
o Biological science may find ways to improve upon the natural
human intellect.

The first three possibilities depend in large part on
improvements in computer hardware. Progress in computer hardware has
followed an amazingly steady curve in the last few decades [16]. Based
largely on this trend, I believe that the creation of greater than
human intelligence will occur during the next thirty years. (Charles
Platt [19] has pointed out the AI enthusiasts have been making claims
like this for the last thirty years. Just so I'm not guilty of a
relative-time ambiguity, let me more specific: I'll be surprised if
this event occurs before 2005 or after 2030.)

What are the consequences of this event? When greater-than-human
intelligence drives progress, that progress will be much more rapid.
In fact, there seems no reason why progress itself would not involve
the creation of still more intelligent entities -- on a still-shorter
time scale. The best analogy that I see is with the evolutionary past:
Animals can adapt to problems and make inventions, but often no faster
than natural selection can do its work -- the world acts as its own
simulator in the case of natural selection. We humans have the ability
to internalize the world and conduct "what if's" in our heads; we can
solve many problems thousands of times faster than natural selection.
Now, by creating the means to execute those simulations at much higher
speeds, we are entering a regime as radically different from our human
past as we humans are from the lower animals.

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"Real stupidity will beat artificial intelligence every time." hifiguy Mar 2015 #1
Or as I was going to say rock Mar 2015 #128
Basically we go 'Star Trek' with basic income gaurantee or 'Soilent Green' with capitalism as it kelly1mm Mar 2015 #2
That's the real question. AI is a threat to human society as it is currently structured Xithras Mar 2015 #16
Democratic Socialist here. Socialism and communism cannot become KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #124
You may be refering to the Ferengi and their quest for Gold Pressed Latinum. Fun Fact: The kelly1mm Mar 2015 #135
'Star Trek' with basic income gaurantee or 'Soilent Green' with capitalism as it" workinclasszero Mar 2015 #94
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #126
it already happens. PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #3
It is, and many humans already function as organic robots in the system controlled by silicon, later RKP5637 Mar 2015 #34
We all do to some non-minor extent PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #77
Yep, quite true, most of us dwell in the algorithmic ruts of life! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #88
The Matrix Newest Reality Mar 2015 #4
This piece was written 22 years ago... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #5
I believe the biggest threat to humans is their laziness... Blanks Mar 2015 #6
I think the bigger risk is that the new dominant lifeform lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #7
Yep, humans, an inferior byproduct of an extraterrestrial experiment to populate a spinning ball of RKP5637 Mar 2015 #37
there are protections in place PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #9
Do you understand what cloud computing is? WestCoastLib Mar 2015 #17
No, I don't know diddly squat about it... Blanks Mar 2015 #25
I think you missed the point entirely Xipe Totec Mar 2015 #76
We have much more to fear from humans... Blanks Mar 2015 #90
Yes, a significant EMP "if" data is unprotected. As someone else said, redundancy is key. Many RKP5637 Mar 2015 #39
If the data is secured/protected... Blanks Mar 2015 #60
Quite true, core data would be intact, but peripheral access would be destroyed/limited. RKP5637 Mar 2015 #65
You mean they haven't made smart guns yet? Jamastiene Mar 2015 #57
Your vehicle probably has an electronic ignition. eom Blanks Mar 2015 #91
Simple electronic ignitions are fairly rugged. hunter Mar 2015 #139
There are old fashioned non electronic ways around that. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #146
Forget the cars, how about the trucks and trains workinclasszero Mar 2015 #97
That's what I'm saying... Blanks Mar 2015 #105
Oh yes you are right. Just look at what happens in Florida when hurricane warnings go up workinclasszero Mar 2015 #108
Trust our poets to teach us the deeper truths. In this case, KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #134
"In a panic, they try to pull the plug" bvar22 Mar 2015 #8
Who's to say it hasn't happened? Octafish Mar 2015 #10
I'm gonna start pronouncing it "pee-nee-yak" to sound like ENIAC and UNIVAC. nt bananas Mar 2015 #112
Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep! PEENIAC! Octafish Mar 2015 #141
Who is to say it's not happening now? seveneyes Mar 2015 #11
Yeesh MFrohike Mar 2015 #12
Agreed. Science fiction is...um, fiction. randome Mar 2015 #14
AI is not science fiction. Xithras Mar 2015 #19
If you say so MFrohike Mar 2015 #20
Is it your position that consciousness is impossible to be understood? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #24
No MFrohike Mar 2015 #35
Are you sure that consciousness is necessary for sentience? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #46
Are you sure that's relevant? MFrohike Mar 2015 #48
Interesting you should mention Chimpanzees... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #59
Not surprised MFrohike Mar 2015 #63
People a lot smarter than I am seem to think a true AI is highly likely Fumesucker Mar 2015 #69
I agree with MFrohike, for what it is worth. bemildred Mar 2015 #119
"eat you or not as the situation requires" Fumesucker Mar 2015 #131
Definitely not. bemildred Mar 2015 #133
Yup... this. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2015 #142
Why do you think this excerpt supports your point? Just curious, just wanted to see ND-Dem Mar 2015 #79
There was a quote from one of the researchers in the last line of the piece.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #83
That is an interesting point, about the general superiority of our unconscious minds. bemildred Mar 2015 #120
Well a lack of one would make something they'd have in common with sociopaths more specifically JonLP24 Mar 2015 #78
Yep. Productivity growth is actually fairly low at the moment, yet people are talking about the Chathamization Mar 2015 #23
At some point AI will be more powerful than humans. No doubt about it. And robots will.... Logical Mar 2015 #32
Prove that MFrohike Mar 2015 #36
LOL, So you want examples where humans have under calculated.... Logical Mar 2015 #58
No MFrohike Mar 2015 #62
Prove its not! LOL! nt Logical Mar 2015 #72
Yeah, about that MFrohike Mar 2015 #81
will humans land on mars? nt Logical Mar 2015 #106
Where'd the goalposts go? MFrohike Mar 2015 #109
Will people land on Mars? Scared to answer? Know what Mars is?? Logical Mar 2015 #110
Heh MFrohike Mar 2015 #137
LOL, so unless you have 100% proof, you don't believe anything might happen...... Logical Mar 2015 #138
This is kind of funny, in a sad way MFrohike Mar 2015 #143
Another conversation you must have...... Logical Mar 2015 #147
You really don't get it, do you? MFrohike Mar 2015 #148
LOL, I think I am....... Logical Mar 2015 #149
Cool story MFrohike Mar 2015 #150
Now you're just sounding really silly..... Logical Mar 2015 #151
Heh MFrohike Mar 2015 #152
How can you think it will not happen? It had advanced constantly! Like my question to..... Logical Mar 2015 #153
Hoo boy MFrohike Mar 2015 #154
Once again..... Logical Mar 2015 #155
Your LHC example MFrohike Mar 2015 #156
You said Logical Mar 2015 #157
Easy, killer MFrohike Mar 2015 #158
LOL, still no answer? Why ask me if I want to continue? If you want to quit just say so. Slowly..... Logical Mar 2015 #159
One question MFrohike Mar 2015 #160
So you claim you do not think at some point AI will reach a point that it is like.... Logical Mar 2015 #161
I made a claim? MFrohike Mar 2015 #162
Where did you pick up "happen soon"? Another reading problem? I am.... Logical Mar 2015 #163
Details MFrohike Mar 2015 #164
Your initial attack of my prediction was for what? You think..... Logical Mar 2015 #165
snooze MFrohike Mar 2015 #166
Who in the hell asks for proof of a technology prediction with no end date? I guess only you! You... Logical Mar 2015 #167
I'm "clueless" MFrohike Mar 2015 #168
I didn't read your post, but, simple, even for you.....Two Questions..... Logical Mar 2015 #169
I'm done being the bigger fool MFrohike Mar 2015 #170
Two Questions..... Logical Mar 2015 #171
I'm a biological machine of some sort and I'm fine with that. hunter Mar 2015 #172
"At some point"...true, and at some point the sun will be gone. "In the long run we're all dead."N/T Chathamization Mar 2015 #45
We already use computers to design chips that we couldn't think of for ourselves. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #51
will the robots have opposable thumbs? snooper2 Mar 2015 #92
Only when it becomes self aware. Initech Mar 2015 #13
+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #41
A machine with enough power could pursue whatever goals it was given FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #101
The Philosophical Zombie Apocalypse bananas Mar 2015 #113
The philosophical zombie/hard problem idea is supernatural mumbo-jumbo Chathamization Mar 2015 #123
Simple solution fadedrose Mar 2015 #15
+10. Absolutely. Always works like a charm. I hope.. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #30
Fearing machines killing us is the same as fearing Aliens killing us WestCoastLib Mar 2015 #18
I wouldn't be so sure, your smartphone is far more sophisticated than a Star Trek communicator Fumesucker Mar 2015 #27
Rec this post... TeeYiYi Mar 2015 #47
I have to admit, the thought of having an intelligent conversation with AI Jamastiene Mar 2015 #56
I kind of suspect that is what drives a lot of DUers to come here.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #61
I talk to myself as it is, so Jamastiene Mar 2015 #67
Except Siri is not thinking Egnever Mar 2015 #96
Ever had a conversation about politics with a Teabagger? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #98
Point taken. Egnever Mar 2015 #100
How do we know you are not an Artificial Intelligence messing with us??? Hmmmmm??? hunter Mar 2015 #68
... nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #118
Three of your last four sentences are almost surely true. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #102
Great. No fucking flying car but we skip right to slave to evil computers. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #21
+1 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #38
AeroMobil has working prototypes and says they'll have one on the market by 2017, actually Electric Monk Mar 2015 #42
There's a comic strip that deals with this. Archae Mar 2015 #22
That's cool. Thanks for the link. hunter Mar 2015 #29
I for one welcome our new droid overlords tularetom Mar 2015 #26
I already live in a society that is 'Scary and Very Bad for People' hunter Mar 2015 #28
The project is mostly complete at this point. Welcome to the Cybernetic Civilization. GliderGuider Mar 2015 #31
What does this say about collapse? joshcryer Mar 2015 #44
Nothing. It just points out where we are right now. nt GliderGuider Mar 2015 #82
The collapse of the Roman Empire took ~150 years GliderGuider Mar 2015 #84
He is 100% correct. nt Logical Mar 2015 #33
It's evolution, baby! yallerdawg Mar 2015 #40
I don't see the problem. joshcryer Mar 2015 #43
Technological change is accelerating and the rate of change is accelerating Fumesucker Mar 2015 #49
Yeah, but everyone thinks it's bad. joshcryer Mar 2015 #52
Do you have children? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #54
Nephews and nieces. joshcryer Mar 2015 #55
I'm not sure I'll see a true AI in my lifetime but my kids more than likely will.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #64
Most pressing issue is self-driving cars and automation. joshcryer Mar 2015 #71
I tend to agree with Musk... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #73
The problem is the US government is reactionary. joshcryer Mar 2015 #75
We're still struggling with modeling the 302 neurons of C Elegans. We're not going to get to the Chathamization Mar 2015 #70
Your Mesopotamian illustration actually isn't far off. Hosnon Mar 2015 #125
Just have William Shatner talk to it until it commits suicide. eShirl Mar 2015 #50
If we at least get a decent android (not the OS) that can cook for us Jamastiene Mar 2015 #53
Our only hope is ai RobertEarl Mar 2015 #66
Great point.... if weren't already too late. Duppers Mar 2015 #107
It would certainly be interested to the evolution biology side of things JonLP24 Mar 2015 #74
As a retired software engineer with a stong interest in AI Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #80
It sounds just like the story of controlled fusion power... GliderGuider Mar 2015 #85
Um, fusion is coming baby! snooper2 Mar 2015 #93
Cool! Get back to me in 10 years, mkay? nt GliderGuider Mar 2015 #104
You won't be laughing in ten years, buddy. Orrex Mar 2015 #86
Part of the reason why these predictions are so silly is because we don't even understand the brain Chathamization Mar 2015 #111
The problem with AI is specificity. Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #115
Or even the flexibility of a mouse, something still far beyond our grasp Chathamization Mar 2015 #122
On the other hand, there might not be any "there" in intelligence. hunter Mar 2015 #132
+1. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #121
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #87
I think back to 20 years ago, to 1995 or thereabouts. Trillo Mar 2015 #89
Not just 'Big Corporate' interests. We all contributed. randome Mar 2015 #95
One of the reasons I stay on DU, it's fairly low bandwidth and my connection isn't always quick Fumesucker Mar 2015 #99
I understand. Trillo Mar 2015 #103
What if these future AI robots JonLP24 Mar 2015 #114
I expect this is marketing for the upcoming Avengers sequel. Marr Mar 2015 #116
Well worth the risk. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #117
Like there's a choice. nt The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #130
I'm actually looking forward to retirement. stone space Mar 2015 #127
Climate change is scarier, it's happening now, and it's worse for people than AI Auggie Mar 2015 #129
I love Woz, but he's a bit wonky. So is Ray. DirkGently Mar 2015 #136
I fundamentally disagree with your assertions about "consciousness." hunter Mar 2015 #140
Consciousness is just memory? DirkGently Mar 2015 #144
That's not what I said. hunter Mar 2015 #145
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