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adigal

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56. Please don't label me either

Thu May 3, 2012, 12:58 PM

May 2012

Who are you to decide that if I am against abortion at 24 weeks, I am anti-choice? And again, it is absolutists who are going to make abortion an all-or-nothing part of life, with nothing being the outcome. Yes, your 39 week old fetus has as many rights as you do, notwithstanding your tax return argument. That is a fallible argument. And at 39 weeks, I do not believe there is any other way to get a fetus/baby out of the womb except to kill it. I just don't, and I think that is another fallacious argument you are making.

But you don't want to hear any opinion except your own, absolutist one and you want to make ad-hominem attacks on those with whom you disagree. This is why abortion is being chipped away at- no reasonable compromise with some people.

And your answer shows you are OK with killing a 39 week old fetus. Many people of all political stripes call that murder.

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Georgia Governor Approves Ban On Abortions After 20 Weeks With No Exception For Rape Or Incest [View all] ProSense May 2012 OP

So that 11 year old who was raped has to carry to term. Lars39 May 2012 #1

No - it is not making abortion illegal (yet) Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #3

MY friend was raped at 11 years old HockeyMom May 2012 #4

The abortion debate will never be solved with demagoguery lacrew May 2012 #6

Chip, chip, chip get the red out May 2012 #7

Good grief! ProSense May 2012 #8

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #12

So what ProSense May 2012 #14

Actually no lacrew May 2012 #24

BS. laundry_queen May 2012 #66

Ah...BS lacrew May 2012 #80

And..BS uppityperson May 2012 #83

Since you have called somebody's opinion 'BS' lacrew May 2012 #87

Huh, let me quote you "Ah...BS". That wasn't calling someone's opinion BS? Another sad misunderstand uppityperson May 2012 #100

I was quoting Laundry_queens well detailed response to me lacrew May 2012 #113

You continue to use "live" & "alive" as qualifiers yet refuse to define the terms. uppityperson May 2012 #121

LOL, like 'BS' is name calling laundry_queen May 2012 #88

Yes, I am ok with 20 weeks being the limit lacrew May 2012 #94

I have not read Roe v wade laundry_queen May 2012 #98

"a fetus as early as 24 weeks is protected, and has rights which should be compared with the mother' uppityperson May 2012 #103

That's my line....wasn't in quotes, don't know why you think it is one lacrew May 2012 #115

More to the point anti-abortion laws go beyond the rights stripped Johonny May 2012 #39

The problem is not imaginary lacrew May 2012 #89

She has a choice - why in the name of God would she wait 20 weeks to make it??? adigal May 2012 #45

I know the poster you are replying to said "11 yr old" but you continue to use that age in saying uppityperson May 2012 #17

11 year old lacrew May 2012 #26

Did you mean to say "fetus"? nt TBF May 2012 #21

I would bet no n/t obamanut2012 May 2012 #27

Yup, my point exactly. nt TBF May 2012 #28

I will probably agree more with you when: LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #10

Fair points lacrew May 2012 #13

"an unknown pregnancy from rape or incest"? What? Why "unknown"? Is this law for only "unknown" pre uppityperson May 2012 #18

The unknown part comes from the deadline lacrew May 2012 #22

But ProSense May 2012 #25

Obviously we are not going to come to an agreement lacrew May 2012 #34

It is explained well here.... uppityperson May 2012 #40

I didn't get to declare my fetus on my tax return. :( I do have more rights and standing. uppityperson May 2012 #43

Thank you laundry_queen May 2012 #67

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #92

So you are using laundry_queen May 2012 #95

Why does his license statur matter lacrew May 2012 #112

I'm not going to engage you any further. laundry_queen May 2012 #119

So you call 'bs' on me lacrew May 2012 #120

"an example of an illegal abortion mill". Exactly. What he was doing was illegal and what laws are uppityperson May 2012 #122

No lacrew May 2012 #93

Wtf? uppityperson May 2012 #102

You completely miss the point on Gosnell lacrew May 2012 #114

Your last sentence is why anti-choice people are beating us adigal May 2012 #48

Even at 39 week, I have more rights. Don't assume as much as you do about me or my opinions uppityperson May 2012 #50

Please don't label me either adigal May 2012 #56

Providing info on late abortions, not arguing whether an abortion involves killing a fetus. uppityperson May 2012 #61

oh dear. I hate to get into this one but cali May 2012 #127

I do have more rights than a fetus. Including in many cases, right to have life protected. uppityperson May 2012 #128

Starting at the bottom of the post: LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #85

Because you don't think this law affects very many people, it doesn't matter one way or the other? yardwork May 2012 #16

For some reason he is focusing on 11 yr olds that don't know they are pg until 20 weeks. uppityperson May 2012 #19

What I said lacrew May 2012 #23

I didn't call anybody pro-rapist, but I am appalled that you think something doesn't matter yardwork May 2012 #37

You are appalled because you are not reading what I am saying lacrew May 2012 #91

It looks like lacrew was banned Marzupialis May 2012 #130

That is very poor logic, basing all fertile raped/incested women on the subset of 11 yr old uppityperson May 2012 #20

i agree with u 2pooped2pop May 2012 #32

See my post #37. yardwork May 2012 #38

20 weeks is not viable... likesmountains 52 May 2012 #109

it is the medical definition 2pooped2pop May 2012 #116

so in other words you are anti-choice? maddezmom May 2012 #123

I agree with you 100% - as babies are born younger and younger adigal May 2012 #42

Sometimes a c-sect or vag delivery isn't possible, in rare cases. Serious pg related health issues uppityperson May 2012 #47

I believe most reasonable people would believe that a fetus without a brain adigal May 2012 #49

You might be surprised NickB79 May 2012 #51

Exactly and thank you for your civil and rational post. uppityperson May 2012 #53

I said reasonable - even very pro-life people saw Schiavo as dead adigal May 2012 #57

psst, there are very few people who say that. Most of us appreciate being able to get the health uppityperson May 2012 #63

2 points. The "human being" definition. Eclampsia. uppityperson May 2012 #52

So they kill the fetus, but still have to get it out of the woman adigal May 2012 #58

It isn't as risky. Labor is quite hard on the body. Some women have easier labor uppityperson May 2012 #62

Most anti-choicers aren't reasonable people. nt. Mariana May 2012 #82

Question: if a c-section or vaginal birth isn't possible, what do they do with the dead 39 week old adigal May 2012 #60

It's the pro-lifers who want the fetus to stay in the woman until they are both dead. yardwork May 2012 #64

An emergency c-section should be safe for the fetus adigal May 2012 #70

Because her health care providers have decided due to their extensive education and experience that uppityperson May 2012 #73

I think there is some misunderstanding here. yardwork May 2012 #75

Thank you. uppityperson May 2012 #77

And you didn't have an answer n/t adigal May 2012 #86

Sometimes it can be difficult to see who answers whom. You seem to have missed my answer. here... uppityperson May 2012 #99

After an abortion, the fetus may go to pathologist, or be cremated, or given for burial. uppityperson May 2012 #68

You are avoiding answering my question about abortion to save the mother adigal May 2012 #72

My apologies, I misunderstood. Because her health care providers have decided due to their extensive uppityperson May 2012 #74

You don't want to recognize that sometimes the baby dies, no matter how much everybody tries. yardwork May 2012 #76

"Because the woman doesn't want the baby. That is what I think." Have you ever been around a woman uppityperson May 2012 #79

I had a miscarriage myself, you sure like to scold adigal May 2012 #90

A miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion. Calling a highly offensive post highly offensive is "scold uppityperson May 2012 #101

The presence of other injuries causing heavy bleeding LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #110

But they are going to remove the fetus anyway adigal May 2012 #111

This article should answer your questions: Lars39 May 2012 #118

I believe I just covered that LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #131

Here ya go: the fetus is still living but not viable (as in, will not survive birth Gormy Cuss May 2012 #126

You said, Boudica the Lyoness May 2012 #54

Always interesting when a poster does a "I don't know about...but based on that I support..." CreekDog May 2012 #78

yes, it's probably a relatively small subset. Does that mean, that in YOUR mind, it's alright cali May 2012 #125

He's been sent back to freeperland. uppityperson May 2012 #129

no she can abort anytime before 5 months 2pooped2pop May 2012 #30

There's a good chance the pregnant child & the fetus would both die in childbirth. Lars39 May 2012 #46

I am so torn over this...she should tell someone, hopefully, adigal May 2012 #41

Just amazing. atreides1 May 2012 #2

The major sponsor of this bill was Athens' own representative Doug McKillip (AKA Douche McDickless). Erose999 May 2012 #5

In zombie like Nader speak. There is no difference between democrats and republicans. bluestate10 May 2012 #9

The REALLY nasty part of this bill is the so-called "compromise" for women whose fetus is non-viable NC_Nurse May 2012 #11

+1000 Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #55

But inflicting pain on children who seem to be gay is essential to good parenting. yardwork May 2012 #15

there does have to be a cutoff. 5 months is reasonable 2pooped2pop May 2012 #29

I don't think there's been a single one that survived Mariana May 2012 #31

well that was considered the age of viability 30 2pooped2pop May 2012 #33

There's never been a baby born at 20 weeks and survive. tammywammy May 2012 #35

not a lot of leeway there 2pooped2pop May 2012 #105

I suspect it shouldn't be hard to find many examples, then. Mariana May 2012 #81

provide ur own 2pooped2pop May 2012 #104

No way was that viable 30 years ago. I have been an NICU nurse since 1978 likesmountains 52 May 2012 #108

my data? 2pooped2pop May 2012 #117

" For some reason people on this site thinks everyone needs a sorce for fact". Well, yes, we do. uppityperson May 2012 #124

fuck that. Call it what you want n/t 2pooped2pop May 2012 #132

21 weeks per another poster. 2pooped2pop May 2012 #107

I think it's not your decision to make for others. tammywammy May 2012 #36

We make decisions about moral issues all of the time in the law adigal May 2012 #59

That was 1 of the basis of Roe v Wade. Making healthcare more equal regardless of money/power uppityperson May 2012 #65

And I am sure they still do it n/t adigal May 2012 #69

Unfortunately. Rather like the rich/powerful have indentured servants and do all sorts uppityperson May 2012 #71

And I agree with you completely and totally. hamsterjill May 2012 #84

the life of the mother has always taken 2pooped2pop May 2012 #106

Umm, that's what we have doctors for... Hippo_Tron May 2012 #96

din't all the farm workers leave Georgia because of a draconian law there? librechik May 2012 #44

God damn them!!! They don't need to overturn Roe V Wade - it's officially become moot. Initech May 2012 #97