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MADem

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15. Ah yes...but wait...there's more!
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 08:49 PM
Mar 2015


The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret....The existence of Israel's nuclear weapons programme was revealed by Mordechai Vanunu to the Sunday Times in 1986. He provided photographs taken inside the Dimona nuclear site and gave detailed descriptions of the processes involved in producing part of the nuclear material but provided no written documentation.

Documents seized by Iranian students from the US embassy in Tehran after the 1979 revolution revealed the Shah expressed an interest to Israel in developing nuclear arms. But the South African documents offer confirmation Israel was in a position to arm Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Israel pressured the present South African government not to declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky. "The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," he said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies."


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

That cat is more like a tired old lion! MADem Mar 2015 #1
White South Africa was terrified of Soviet supported black communist opposition... hunter Mar 2015 #8
I seem to recall that Israel and SA were working together on the whole nuke thing for a bit... MADem Mar 2015 #12
There's lot's of speculation they collaborated on testing... hunter Mar 2015 #14
Ah yes...but wait...there's more! MADem Mar 2015 #15
Everyone knew and acted accordingly, like Pakistan as unofficial members of the nuke club freshwest Mar 2015 #18
Ain't that the truth...! MADem Mar 2015 #25
Decided to combine laughing and going crazy. *maniacal laughter* freshwest Mar 2015 #35
Wordt kept secret in the world... joeybee12 Mar 2015 #2
Interesting timing.... peacebird Mar 2015 #3
Well, duh libodem Mar 2015 #4
I'm sure we'll demand inspections and slap sanctions on Israel if it refuses. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #5
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Mar 2015 #13
Then what are they worried about treestar Mar 2015 #6
MAD only works when all parties are not suicidal seveneyes Mar 2015 #9
Iran is not suicidal. hunter Mar 2015 #16
Oh, they're nationalistic in Iran, make no mistake--as are many nations. MADem Mar 2015 #26
On a much smaller scale, the Protestants and Catholics had the same sort of conflict in N. Ireland hunter Mar 2015 #29
If either Iran or Iraq had possessed a suitcase nuke during the I/I War, I've no doubt MADem Mar 2015 #31
True. But TEOTWAWKI isn't TEOTW. People forget the caveat there. freshwest Mar 2015 #17
I know that's the Israeli argument treestar Mar 2015 #22
I really don't know for sure seveneyes Mar 2015 #24
Just a few million dead bodies and a radioactive landscape, I suppose. Just sayin' freshwest Mar 2015 #19
The whole thing is pointless treestar Mar 2015 #20
Still gonna be a lot of caterwauling over the fence, though. Let's just keep it there. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #23
MAD assumes rational actors jberryhill Mar 2015 #28
No nation can be trusted with Nukes. Not a single one. Sooner or later someone who has them will sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #30
Israel's nukes were about as secret hifiguy Mar 2015 #7
The "Western Bloc" trade in nuclear weapons technology... hunter Mar 2015 #10
Veils and Pretend Positions are dropping all over..be careful what you wish for. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #11
Israel's new status: Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #21
OMG! Convene Congress for another AUMF! Scamble the bombers! Bibi has 24 hours to get outa town! leveymg Mar 2015 #27
No pic....hotlinking notice... MADem Mar 2015 #32
Yes. Atomic War for Dummies, 1955 style. leveymg Mar 2015 #34
Time to bring out the Tom Lehrer records--1964/5 Maeve Mar 2015 #33
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